rallyboy

In defence of PES, if I'd handed over hard-earned season ticket money and it was used by the manager to **** prossies, or I'd donated to a charity and the club had stolen the cash from dying kids, then I'd be looking for a swift change of subject too. pompey, the club that stole from the taxman, just as a drop in tax revenue closed a vital cancer ward at QA. pompey, the club that laundered money stolen from pensioners. pompey, the club that used money made from maiming children to buy a cup, and didn't even pay their captain. pompey, the club that shat on veterans and kept money belonging to the British Legion. No capital letter for that shower of sh!t, they have no shame. And on the other side we have Saints, the club that is regularly outclassed in the Premier League, overcharges for parking, treats programme sellers badly and makes Lawrie McMenemy pay for his tickets. Yeah, we are just the same. Highlighting our obvious issues is just a distraction, the myths that follow are hilarious, all thrown out there to distract from their own car crash in waiting. So how's the property developing Trust getting on? Not quite the cast of Ben Hur is it? I see no money, nor prospectus.....just a handful of well-intentioned but terminally-naive men huddled in a pub corner with no budget and no workable plan, too ashamed to admit that they are clueless and have got into bed with property developers in a desperate effort to try and see off their last loan shark. Hopefully they can hang onto in demand Appleton, the coaching genius that has taken them back to their roots, has spent next year's CVA money, and has linked himself with every bus out of town. The plucky bestest few deserve him. Then again if he does abandon ship I guess the ridiculous wages he has paid out on a pile of crap won't be his problem. Just like Cotterilll and Grant before, he can leg it and leave them to sort out the mess - still a hero. Start a clean phoenix club if you have a shred of dignity.

Fans are just being conned into this fairytale version of the future because their cash is needed. Once again the dim are being taken advantage of, but if they won't ask the awkward questions then they bring it upon themselves. Wakey wakey Portsea! - just admit that this ongoing Trust nonesense is no longer a fan buyout, it's clearly become a property deal. Call me sharp, but the clue for me was when I saw that the main money was being put in by property developers. It's just a hunch, but I suspect that as property developers they might be interested in developing the property... And when I say 'ongoing', is anything actually going on? I've seen glaciers carve valleys faster than the Trust takeover has progressed, Birchy could have converted dinosaurs into unleaded before he completes this deal, new universes have formed and distant suns have imploded since his last three deadlines came and went - and still the Trust claims they are less than four weeks from seeing off Portpin and taking sole ownership. Some of them actually believe that they will be walking up Frogmore Road with the keys before the end of the month... And they wonder why we mock. I still have a small secret hope that we can stay up this season, but I wouldn't vocalise it for fear of being ridiculed. Then again the whole city seems to be happiest when living in a cliched soap opera, and this current plotline about the loyal bestest owning the plucky club is good for ratings. Shambolic potless consortium resorts to desperate fundraising methods in an effort to emulate bigger clubs like Exeter is less attractive as a tagline on the cover of the prospectus. As for UnAppy... A future England manager? The man who has turned their fortunes around like no one else could and is heralded as a hero by many of the few? Or perhaps a bloke who cannot judge and motivate players, cares little for youth, has no understanding of budgets and doesn't care what company he keeps? He's even sent his eyebrows out on loan. Would I want him near a team that I supported? I'd rather go for a night out with Lee Barnard and Liam Lawrence - with Scott Allan as the designated driver. Meanwhile Birch needs to get his act together, his lack of action has brought this thread to it's knees. Since Ho's street cred sank with no survivors, Nutjobs cannot survive on Appy's post-match madness alone, we need financial chaos as well. Come on, we need a laugh - maybe he could organise another free training camp/holiday? Get Cotterill to do the flights and Avram to arrange leisure time.

poor plucky pompey will battle on, despite being barely able to muster a squad of underpaid strangers, they'll put up a heroic fight in the face of adversity, roared on by the famous blue army. While the loyal manager gives 110% - despite being wanted by clubs up and down the land. Meanwhile the finishing touches are being added to the greatest fan buyout of all time - with no property developers involved whatsoever. Tis the stuff of fairytales.

sorry I've not been around, I've been in demand. When I say in demand I mean that there were several massive jobs up for grabs and I was headhunted for all of them. That's the sort of headhunting where they interview lots of other people, and you cover your shattered pride by making out that you didn't want the job that you were not offered. It's all part of the hero/villain thing - keep up. Or perhaps I've just been stranded using a steam-driven laptop that is reliant on the ability of wheezy hamsters to run the internet connection while my computer is purged of Avram Grant jokes. A situation that doesn't lend itself to lengthy rants - but fear not Nutjobs, should I not be offered that monthly deal extension on POL, I shall be back. Meanwhile I'm standing in for Ho on their site while he's at the Kidderminster toy fair, calling myself Frattoniser..... So, I hear that Cortese has interviewed Redknapp, the training ground has been scrapped, and Lambert has already signed for Everton on a free because Nige didn't sign the contract properly - and Ramirez has got rabies, it's all been hushed up. The taxman hasn't been paid by Saints since 2009 and the pompey Trust has already agreed terms with Chanrai who has taken £500K for the ground. So there.

Bump? - what sort of bump? Do you mean.... 1. The noise of the Trust coming back down to earth when they finally grasp the figures? 2. The sound of a prossie's arse banging against the outside of a skip, paid for by season ticket money? 3. The noise made by a mythical cheque from pompey landing on a charity's desk? 4. Ho's laptop slamming shut when he was found out as a fantasist? 5. Appleton's job application landing on a doormat in Burnley? 6. Tumbleweed colliding with one of 7,000 empty seats at a vital pack-the-park fixture? 7. Kanu's legal claim dropping into the middle of the Trust takeover negotiations? 8. The sound of a club dropping back into the relegation zone after buying their way into mid-table? 9. A lump in the ground behind The Fatpipe Rd End where all unpaid bills have been buried and forgotten? 10. The first indication Joe Cala gets when a cruise ship collides with his underwater Saab dealership?

what a depressing day - we might not have a team right now but at least we still have a fanbase. 13,051 for the Property Developing Trust's big party? Perhaps the few can see the way it's going and have abandoned ship. I can't face Appy's massive plucky quotes yet as I'm going out, think I'll save that entertainment for tomorrow.

is that just a mad press release - or a vital little piece of Chanrai's grand jigsaw? Look at exhibit C your honour, a piece of A4 that states that on 4/9/12 a consortium offered $20M for the ground (and 10p for the CVA) - Mr Birch chose to decline that offer, but it clearly values the ground at way in excess of the £2.75M offered.... Everything happens for a reason.

so the property developers' plan seems to be, buy the spare land for a million or two (?), and get Portpin to accept £2.75M. We all realise that that fatpipedream is not going to happen, but I guess they consider that ownership of the other bit will be useful at some point, even if someone else owns the ground. Whereas the Trust plan seems to be, ask people to buy them big presents, and try to stay friends with them. In previous years the owner of the ground always needed cooperation from the neighbouring landowner to consider a redevelopment. Chanrai doesn't care about a new ground, so he could now turn the tables and control ALL redevelopment by using the ground as the ransom... The value of it increases if a neighbouring developer needs it quite badly - if they've done a deal on the other bit then they are already on the end of Chinny's little fishing rod with a hook hanging out of something delicate. You really wanted to tie those two deals up together and quickly if you wanted a bargain. If the PDT (property developing Trust) can't wrestle control of the Fatpipe Arena, how long will the property developers hold onto wasteland that could be earning cash, before they give up on the Trust masterplan of a full redevelopment? - and will the figures actually stack up, even if they do get the land soon? They will never get it for £2.75M, so you have to guesstimate that they need to put at least £6M on the table to bundle all the land together. While I'm sure they will be as helpful as possible to their junior partners in the great fan buyout, they will want a return on that fairly sharpish, and there's no way they're selling it back to the Trust for the price it cost them. The charge on the ground is everything to Chinny, it is the only ace in the pack, and he won't be giving it away.

As has been highlighted, however they dress it up to please the few - Fans form a Trust, put in money and buy club = fan takeover. A consortium led by property developers putting up the main money supported by a couple of thousand fans, gathered under the banner of a Trust = A property developer consortium takeover. The Trust seems reluctant to publish the precise detail of their arrangements with their property developers friends, is it similar to the council gifting them land and letting them make £20M? Put yourself in the position of the property developer. Priorities - First. Make money from the land, and keep the club onside - if they pay their way. Last. Fund the club back to the PL. Chancers might be a harsh term, but where have these property-developing supporters been for the last two years when everyone was desperately seeking funds? They only wandered into town when they saw the opportunity to piggyback the Trust all the way to a land deal. Ironic thing being that if you study the CV of your average loan shark you often find that their career path includes a spot of high-risk development. Despite the fact that Portsea is now decked in bunting and the Lidl own brand Blue Nun corks are popping, Chanrai's position as creditor leaves him in control. They have to negotiate with him, they cannot force him out of the deal. And now he's annoyed. RB Tips for the day. 1. When getting into bed with property developers, read the small print VERY carefully, then read it again - as you might find yourself without a ground. 2. Don't hang party bunting near a naked flame. 3. Be wary of a wounded loan shark, he'll be back - either for his money, or your lungs to wear as a waistcoat.

as my learned friends suggest, the fact that the PFA are involved in talks indicates to me that the Trust is trying to renegotiate the already renegotiated heroic player agreements. Mainly because they want the PPs to use on new players, and they want to ignore the former players. Nice. And there was me thinking they would be paying football creditors in full, what a bombshell...pompey fail to pay debt. As for MoneyPenny and friends... Mr Lansley said: ‘I am grateful to my honourable friend. I think she makes an important point and I am aware of the the way in which she has supported the Portsmouth Supporters’ Trust’s trailblazing bid. We need to impress upon the football authorities the need for stronger scrutiny of clubs at all levels and transparency about ownership. That'll be the alternative definition of trailblazing I guess, the one that means following in the footsteps of other clubs. And as for stronger scrutiny, yes that is needed, to prevent some clubs laundering money for organised crime. But I forget, all that the club did wrong was begged organised crime to take them over, the naughty league didn't stop them and liquidate the club instead. Yes, they need a new FaPPT to prevent stupid clubs making stupid decisions, but at what point do clubs become responsible for their own actions? Or is it always the FL's fault for letting them act in an underhand, criminal and insolvent way? I guess that makes the police responsible for every crime in the UK.

Just heard David Lampitt on 5Live - remember him? He was the guy who spent way more than pompey had, dished out unsustainable contracts, looked after the charities so well and left the club in ruins. Well he's still doing stand-up... At Supporters Direct we promote a sustainable model. Wow! That's the biggest U-turn since the Jimmy Savile Fan Club reviewed their statue campaign and Nike read the cycling press. Thanks Davy but if I need financial advice I'll ask Ridsdale before you - how is that whole quality over quantity thing going for you? I tried it myself with a post last night, but it's difficult to generate the same laughs mate, you may want to rethink it. What a clown, the red and blue of Hampshire finally unite to laugh at Lampitt. Meanwhile the Trust just need to tick a couple of boxes and they're home and dry. Unfortunately they don't have a pen, and Chinny owns the boxes. And Mr Hall's latest piece suggests that the owners and CEO of the club got into bed with loan sharks, and then under pressure, allowed others to run the business - a clear breach of Fifa and FL rules that could result in a massive penalty. Is Mr Hall a witness for the defence or the prosecution?

Stalemate.

That is unfair, the ref was overawed by the big occasion and it's pompey that has to pay the bill - I bet he had an email telling him to do it as well. They only ask to have a level playing field, bet they get another points penalty for the same offence as well, the authorities have really got it in for them, they haven't hit Man Utd, and they are in debt too. The News makes a good point, there were loads of Appy managerial offers, numerous they were! Clubs were queueing up to try and scoop the services of a manager who had embraced a points penalty and steered the 2nd highest paid squad in the championship into the division below - he was the hot ticket, the coaching genius that smaller clubs like Wolves and Birmingham tried to pluck away from the faithful. But he only had eyes for the packed park and wasn't going to abandon his post - he stood firm against the financial storm of the summer, proudly leading his troops from the tempest to glory, via a holiday in Gibraltar. Or maybe that's just more tiresome and cliched spin, aimed squarely at the dim and the unimaginative. This is quite a boring adminstration now - it's been run by Lord Lucan, and the Trust seems to have shut shop. AA was more fun, he didn't bother with libel laws and wasn't really troubled by UK law or regulations. He would have seen the fan bid off by now. Surely this is the time for the Trust's massive PR and fundraising effort? There was a chink of an opportunity to open the door on a deal, Chinny looks to be on the back foot and even though he still holds the cards, an educated and targetted media campaign would benefit the Trust. Yet nothing is happening. Are they saving up to buy a white flag? Don't tell me, their professional team is quietly working 24-7 on a masterplan that will deliver the club into the hands of the most passionate fanbase in Europe. Dedicated they may be, the Trust has put a lot of hours in and I understand and respect their aim. But I have seen NO quality or long term validity in their plans, and their current silence makes you wonder if they are shrewd players with a handful of aces up their sleeve - or just a clueless bunch of waifs and strays who have been coaxed way out of their depth by the thought of doing the right thing. Better order that white flag and some armbands. Bring on a phoenix club, this one is broken.

are you suggesting that Andronikou may just be using this platform to attack the company that got the gig instead of him? While everyone has an agenda - AA has about three. Interesting that he 'claims' that Chinny has been passed FaP, and that the only delay to takeover is now a negotiation of the admin fees. I'm not sure administrators do too much haggling, so that shouldn't slow things down. Unless of course Birch is too busy signing autographs, which brings me onto another point - which is, just like Avrams' favourite granny, old, but worth revisiting. When pompey fans claim that their admin was the same as ours... How many people on here queued up to get Mark Fry's autograph? Because the Andronikou signing session sums up the mentality on Portsea better than anything else. Even putting aside Fahim being welcomed in his little skimpy top, and Storrie's name being chanted - too many people down there would cheer a turd in a shirt if it said hero on the back. They need to throw off the shackles of stupidity, stop following like sheep, and make some decisions without consulting their local paper for who is a hero today, and who is now a villain. If they had asked about the finances before, questioned the last few managers' records, and not believed all the hype chucked at them, the few could distance themselves from this debacle and claim some innocence. But I see no significant distance between them and the crooks - they want the cup, but they don't want the debt, and they don't want to pay the captain who lifted it. They still want to celebrate the historic 4-1 victory over a team from the third tier, but they don't want to pay the players. The few are implicated. You may not have shot the clerk, but it's stretching things to deny any knowledge of the crime when you've pocketed your share of the cash and been caught wearing a balaclava, sat outside the bank at the wheel of a stolen 1975 Transit. So for that reason, when it comes to being sympathetic to the poor plucky bestest fans who still give it large, I'm out.

Would that be the same rumour as when they clearly stated last week that they owned it, before the agent said they didn't? That Bournemouth match was amazing. I remember setting the alarm and getting up in the middle of the night to catch the highlights of the biggest game of the day. When I turned it on I had to check the channel, I thought I'd stumbled across Boca Juniors against River Plate, we were sweeping ticker tape out of the living room for weeks. Next door got up and asked me to turn the TV down as the crowd noise was deafening, I had to explain that it was turned down, but the set had been overawed by showing such a massive game. And then when they showed that shot of all those flares being lit on the Fatpipe End, people over the road from me were getting up because they thought it was morning. It was no coincidence that Galatasaray, Celtic and Newcastle all disbanded their fan clubs the next day because they realised their support lacked numbers and passion. Having said that, did anyone else think it went a bit quiet when Lee Barnard scored?

Let's not forget that they had ample opportunity to sell players pre-admin. That would have sorted some debt, but damaged them on the pitch. Lampitt refusing to sell players clearly supports the theory that they were more interested in a competitive advantage than trading solvently. A repeat of 2010 and Illegal Cup Run II. Known in technical circles as the **** the creditors approach. Bearing this in mind, sympathy for their self-induced plight should now be offered at .4% of genuine sympathy, less expenses, spread over a decade or two. This could be downgraded further in the next token CVA that will never be paid from Admin III Actually I think it is IV or V - but like all pompey accountants and managers, plus the guy who scrawled the Trust's business plan on the back of a scratchcard, I've lost count. Maybe the scratchcard was their business plan?...

Dim pompey player confused by his own multiple-choice question in bland post-match spin shock. Question on Appleton. ‘He’s a great manager but he has had a lot to deal with. He’s put together a good squad of players – and I don’t know how he’s done it. Answer. 1. He used his charisma. 2. He plundered West Brom reserves. 3. He outbid other teams who are solvent, using money that is needed to pay creditors, as part of a longterm and planned strategy to gain an unfair competitive advantage, thus supporting the theory that the club has been cheating for a decade. In other news, a ruthless loan shark walks away from £17M. He sighs, blames himself, and puts it down to experience. Not a single person gets sued, threatened, or shot.

Not to downplay Mr Hall's fine body of work that takes our research to the next stage, but.... Saints forum members list the criminality in detail = jealous Nutjob scummahs spinning ridiculous conspiracy theories. pompey fan lists the same criminality in detail as part of a PR campaign for the Trust = media-savvy hero and research guru pioneer, heralded as the new messiah by the few.

well that's the last we've seen of Chinny then! Bye old friend, sorry it didn't work out for you, leave the keys to the ground, we'll post you the £1.6M.... Unless of course a previously unseen and brand new consortium mysteriously steps from the shadows next week... No links to any other potential owners past nor present, fronted by some imaginary Arab/Russian - probably with Andronikou as an advisor, and a figure of £17M mentioned somewhere! Surely Birch has no legal interest in the league's stance or tests? Who offers the best deal for creditors - A or B? What happens after he's put them forward as the best option is their problem. Should they be unable to complete for whatever reason then he starts the process again. The Trust then has to show that it has business plans to satisfy PKF, and then the league. That's two BIG hurdles! If they clear them and take control then we are definitely in for some laughs, pausing first to congratulate them on following in the footsteps of the likes of Exeter City. Either way, you show me a loan shark who has ever walked away quietly from £17M, and I'll explain to my ruddy-cheeked boss how my total football ideas on a strict budget will get a team of kids promoted from the championship.

we are guesstimating as always, but I would reckon they have less time than that. Hasn't PFK only had something like £4/500k already? If so they are still due a million+ of the £3M - and the banked money was the only reason they are continuing, surely if they can't physically see their fee money they'll shut shop. Let's work the same way the Trust has using a back-of-the-envelope system that estimates in four months they'll average 11,000 gates and generate approx £1.2-£1.4M. With little further income and all other costs to cover, that COULD leave them £100k a month down via the players + £300K for Trev. And let's remember that not a penny of debt has been addressed yet, this is just using up the money needed for debt repayments, to stand still. So in essence, the Trust's capital to run the club next season, could be gone by this Christmas. I reckon Birchy has less than four months money left. He might even support that theory by squeezing the squad numbers at the end of November, or starting to take what his company is owed, just so it's looks less ruthless at the end. pompey fans could be in for a tough Christmas, the sort of one where you sit on Santa's lap and only then notice that he's smoking a cigar, wearing coloured glasses, and introducing Showaddy....waddy. Is that a mobile in Santa's pocket? No, it's 1975, and even the keys to a Rolls Royce aren't that chunky.

I don't see how Bolton could possibly lure UnAppy away from this massive club with the best support in world football. He has an academy that the Taliban would be jealous of, and he's been given free rein to build a plucky squad of loyal battlers who will give their all at the packed fortress. The only thing might be that he has found the job TOO big for him, a little bit like the Wycombe players and all the refs, those little football people who all froze on their big occasions in the limelight. That is probably it, the massive sleepy giant club with fantastic investment potential is actually TOO massive for the best young manager in the British game. The next problem could be little Bolton trying to nick all of pompey's best players - so it's best that they try and tie them up to lengthy contracts - six weeks, or maybe two month deals. Appy departing would be a bit of a setback for that immediate return to the championship from the rubbish League One that was banded about. But if the manager can't cope with the pressure of the biggest club job outside London then he should move on now before they start having really poor results and getting booed by a partially-packed, fat-riddled park. So is Appy a hero or a villain at the moment? I never really got to grips with the simpleton scale we were using after Kitson changed status about four times in one afternoon. I'm guessing Appy's a hero for his fantastic effort at working to a strict budget while guiding the club down the divisions and out of cup competitions? One day they might name a suite or a stand after him like they did for other club legends Allan Baley, Jimmy Dickersley and Lefty Primus. I can see it now - the Mitchell Appleshaw Bar.

That is a little gem! - pompey player admits that he and his mates are being paid more than players at rival clubs, but tries to justify it. Contradicting the boss and making him look like a liar won't go down well. Mr Hall seems to be suggesting that pompey's accounts have been riddled with financial irregularities for several years. If proven, that charge leads them straight to non-league football. And that's their problem. The Trust want to tell everyone that Chanrai acted illegally when he was in charge of the business - but I bet they won't want the sentence that accompanies that crime. In much the same way as they distanced themselves from the debt not long ago, they seem to want the club, but not the obligations that accompany it. Any power struggle between the Trust and Portpin is likely to shred the club, and they'll be nothing left to fight over. So it's brave of the Trust to highlight the criminality that's been performed at their football club, they know the defence of 'previous owners' holds no sway. If the football club was run illegally, the club is punished - that is clear, there's NO room for complaint. Though the let-off on the holding company going into admin, and the minimum pending points-penalty since, are clear indications that they have been treated very leniently thus far, so expect no Luton measures for similar offences. Either way the Trust has a problem. Every attack on a former owner's integrity makes further sanctions against the club more likely. Methinks they are heading up a little cul-de-sac of misery - at a pace that a wheezy undertaker would consider to be annoyingly slow.

Kraken is right. Appless has made it quite clear by his incorrect statements over the last few months that he has little understanding of budgets, nor the rules regarding administration. From the press conferences that he holds in some sort of bail hostel, he clearly doesn't understand what the pending points penalty is for, nor does he realise that any wages budget already has £2M a year spent on his heroic players of the past. £9M+ to pay off a plucky team that got you relegated = bargain. His area of expertise is obviously in the transfer market, not forgetting his tactical skills, and his ability to motivate overpaid journeymen players for cup games. Threatening the football authorities about mistreatment and dragging out the ridiculous level-playing field intergrity of the league card just makes him look like an uninformed poor manager, that a poor club cannot afford to sack. He started there as a coach who sounded honest, but his recent claims about low wages and no costs to the club make him look like he fits perfectly with their business model of the last decade. I can't see any new owner retaining him so there is no point in discussing long term finance with him. I too heard that Trev has been sidelined a little, thankfully his company will continue to drain the corpse. Wonder what the figures look like for last night? £55K-£60K income? Police bill was running at 10% Stewarding, electricity, emergency plumbing callout - even without the lowest paid squad in the division claiming their squirrel allowance, I don't see much profit in that one, not enough to pay the administrators' winebill this evening. Luckily the local businesses will have pocketed their £13M.

they shouldn't be too worried about losing tonight, it's a poxy trophy - what did the JPT do for us? Nothing.....apart from a couple of 30K gates, some TV money - oh, and the chance for a record-breaking 50,000+ Saints fans to bury the bitter memories of administration and share a fantastic day out with Markus, a day that acted as a springboard for an astonishing march through two divisions. Yeah, poxy trophy, they are better off out of it, they can concentrate on the league. Perhaps if the ref hadn't been overawed by the massive occasion and the Wycombe players hadn't been inspired by the fortress atmosphere that only the bestest can produce, then there might have been a different outcome. Please don't anyone call this a giant-killing, I see no giant.

Man Utd have debt, why weren't they docked points? was the great claim by the few. Let's have some honesty here, most pompey fans don't have a clue what is going on and don't care. A visit to our own main board shows there is a certain level of ignorance there too, so it may be a general problem. When you find yourself trying to debate a technical point with someone who can't spell Nigel, then perhaps you know the game is up. Most pompey fans don't understand how failing to pay debt is different to servicing it, hence the laughable claims about our situations being the same. When you are up against that sort of argument you know it's pointless trying to explain - but still we try. If Bolton haven't missed any payments then their fragile and risky business model works - well done them. The main difference was the pompey's was doomed to failure from day one - it was the work of a madman. Those fans that said everything was alright last season, do they not now reflect on one of their players earning more than two League One squads put together, as slightly unusual? Even though it was dirty scummahs pointing out the blatantly obvious, were the alarm bells not tinkling a little? I had to explain to an educated and clued-up pompey fan why they had another points penalty due - he thought it was for two seasons in admin! They have been starved of all negative info by the local paper, and as a result they don't understand what's happening. The Trust figures have never stacked up either, and there was resentment that their budget wanted to reduce payments to creditors but increase wages again. There is this feeling that when it comes to paying back money they plead poverty and throw themselves on the mercy of the court. ...Only to go out the next day and splash out on shiny tat. They need to get back to basics. What is our likely income? What can we afford? That's what we pay - even if we miss out on players. Tis pretty simple. Their problem today is that they are spending next year's working capital. As for Mr Hall's fine work, I just get this feeling that it is only being embraced NOW because many fans want to use it as a stick to beat Chanrai. When criminality was hanging heavy in the air before, they were happily strutting up Wembley Way giving it large - other than Mr Hall, they denied any wrongdoing, and claimed their club was solvent They even stood around cheering in SMS as their heroic plucky players spent the next few years income, and consigned the club to poverty. Nutjobs have been trying to explain how the figures don't stack up but it's like talking to a brick wall, until Mr Hall's blog - and then some are still denying it. You can take Avram to an industrial estate but you can't make him....buy a commercial vehicle.