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As close a definition of our situation as I've heard: "Brexit is beginning to feel like the UK has locked itself out of the flat stark bol lock naked & is trying to style it out."

Laughable. Your dear leader has opted for the utterly absurd position of demanding to pay the price of Brexit - free movement of labour - without the prize - the single market. All you fawning cultists have to look forward to, in the parallel universe in which Corbyn wins an election, is Brexit as Venezuela.

If you just tried to interpret what's going on instead of regurgitating Tory Central Office press releases and No10 briefings about 'opinions' you might have a better grasp of politics. There are clearly a number of heavily divided positions in Cabinet, as well as on the backbenches (in a party with a slender HoC majority), from Hammond in defence of the single market and the British economy, to Fox and his weird mercantilist view of the world. Oh, and Happy Rosh Hashanah!

It was also elected on the clear manifesto promise to retain membership of the single market, regardless of the referendum result.

And by angry I mean angry. The Metropolitan Police is just one of a number of forces to report a sudden surge, post-referendum, in Brexiter violence directed in particular at East Europeans. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/28/hate-crime-horrible-spike-brexit-vote-metropolitan-police Once the court cases have been concluded, we'll also be able to draw some conclusions about the killings of Jo Cox and two Polish nationals in the run-up and aftermath of the vote. Brexiter rage, turning to physical assault, is clearly something that will have to be tackled.

There's a pattern here (and elsewhere). Brexiteers are so unbelievably ANGRY, and Remainers (or Rejoiners, as I think they should be called now) spend most of their time laughing at their apoplexy. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

It's not optimised for ZX81.

Your point presumably being: 'Spaceships means spaceships' (followed by a loud bang). Works completely for me. And are you seriously thinking that the Three Brexiteers are on some sort of analogical plane with Branson? Given their recent error-strewn pronouncements - all dismissively slapped down by May - they're more like bumblebees that don't understand how windows work. So my point in offering a bit of analytical depth from experts - I know, I know - is that there's only so long we can watch those three puffed up idiots bounce back and forth about the deals they're plainly not going to get. At some point, someone is going to have to look into the actual hurdles - the detailed, technical challenges - and try to figure out a way out of this mess.

And after all that the ****ing thing crashed, killing the pilot. Branson didn't come out of it exactly covered in glory. He was criticised for overreaching and not paying attention to warning signs that his 'Galactic Spaceship' had serious design flaws. So really quite a good analogy for Brexit You Brexiters are distracted so easily. Did you actually read up on what the technical and legal hurdles were? Or did you take my NSFB health warning to heart? The project manager's point is an excellent one, since the problems are not in the airy-fairy conceiving of Brexit but in its execution, in all its frustrating and minutely complex detail.

I'm posting this as a resource for anyone genuinely interested in the vast and overwhelming complexities of Brexit. I strongly recommend the blog itself on the obstacles that need to be overcome - written by a lawyer who's genuinely on the fence about Brexit - but also (unusually) the comments BTL, which are from a variety of thoughtful lawyers and professionals. The overall problem is neatly set out by this project manager: But there's plenty of detail in the blog, the comments, and - if you wish - the links to a great deal of technical discussion. http://jackofkent.com/2016/09/the-many-hurdles-of-brexit-a-short-summary-post/ This should probably come with a health warning - Not Safe For Brexiters (who'll have no credible solutions to these problems, and I can't see how they'd even understand a lot of the stuff).

And I thought the meltdowns on here were bad... https://mobile.twitter.com/FootyAwayDays_/status/780083556668284928 https://mobile.twitter.com/WeahsCousin/status/780132700330033152

This is one of he dumbest posts I've ever read on here - even as a kipper fantasy. Can you offer some actual analysis on how a party with the grand total of one MP - a dissident in his own party, at that - is going to be a threat to May in the next General Election? With the second-largest party in the Commons self-imploding, she is under absolutely no threat from anyone in 2020, especially with the compound effects of boundary changes. The Tories could choose whatever form of Brexit they want to negotiate and still get a comfortable majority. The reality - again something you preposterously deny - is that the EU won't let her have whatever she wants, and will ensure there's an economically punitive exit. I'd recommend some remedial reading for you but it won't do any good.

An excellent and eviscerating article, as you'd expect from Nick Cohen, who had actually written about all of this years before Corbynism itself happened, in a brilliant book called 'What's Left'. Cohen wins the Corbynista Cup for being their Least Favourite Jew (he's actually a recent convert) - in what is quite a crowded field (a number of the Guardian commentators, for example, all enemies of the people). The ad hominem venom that always lurks BTL in his articles is something to behold, the responses encompassing and confirming 'banal in content, conspiracist in essence, utopian in aspiration and vicious in practice.' Corbyn was always going to win, even if Smith had been brilliant, which he wasn't by any stretch. But given all that's happened, this is probably the beginning of something. The further and rapid decline of the Labour party as a party of change, certainly - Corbyn is May's very useful idiot. Hopefully, though, it's the beginning of a regrouped centre-left. If the majority of the PLP splits from the Corbynists - and it has a ready-made name, the Parliamentary Labour Party, which lays stress on how it's a party for change through legislative means - then very large numbers centre-left voters will have something genuinely to look forward to.

Mustn't go Godwin Mustn't go Godwin Mustn't go Godwin...

Who'd be up for this if it ever happened? I certainly would.

And here's a politician doing exactly that. Why if it isn't that super-scientist Carswell: Does your schnozzle grow with each denial? Anyway, as always you haven't comprehended the point. (Maybe you should declare yourself a scientist like your MP). The Swiss were mandated - legally required, unlike us - to stop free movement. They appear to have failed (the vote is today) because (a) the EU wasn't a push over, contras dimwits like Carswell; and (b) because the Swiss parliamentarians knew they couldn't crash the economy so needed their existing single market access rights. If you think this has no bearing on what will happen in the Brexit negotiations with the EU - and the past blithering about how we hold all the cards suggests you do - good luck with that.

Of course you'd spot that, kippy. If you want more on Westminster's dimmest Tory/kipper, try this on twitter - #AskCarswell. Even you might laugh. Onto more canary-in-a-coalmine news, the Swiss lower parliament is due to have a vote tomorrow (Wednesday) which should give Brexiteers the willies. In early 2014, the Swiss held a referendum on restricting freedom of movement. Swiss kippers won - in a referendum which, unlike the UK one, was binding. The result mandated the parliament to negotiate a way out of freedom of movement in two years. That deadline expires in February, but Swiss parliamentarians are ready to throw in the towel now. Having being warned, like us, that they'd lose their single market access status, they're about to vote to approve a deal that includes an 'emergency brake' - a brake that can only be triggered with the EU's consent.

Brexiteers take rejection of experts to the next level... Duncan Carswell, UKIP's one and only MP/dissident, has rejected hundreds of years of scientific proof that tides are caused by the moon. He insists the Earth's tides are affected by the Sun because it's bigger. https://politicalscrapbook.net/2016/09/embarrassed-ukip-mp-carswell-deletes-tweets-after-arguing-with-an-experts-on-tides-and-brexit/ Good to know that our most prominent Leavers are on the case.

News courtesy of post-fact Breximentalists. A YouGov poll among Leave voters finds that 44% of them think a trade deal with Australia is the highest priority. Only 23% of them, think a trade deal with the EU is the highest priority. The EU doesn't even rank in the top 5 for Leavers. Unfortunately, while the EU presently takes 44% of UK exports, Australia takes just 1.6%. Madness rendered statistically. https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/which-countries-should-uk-prioritise-post-brexit-t/

What's wrong with the idea of Corbyn Youth? Someone should design a nice uniform and logo. And a catchy kids' theme song:

More intelligent right-wing commentators than you (although admittedly not as far-right as you) realise the existential threat to the UK of a one-party state with a zombie opposition. . http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21707209-labours-implosion-leaves-britain-without-functioning-opposition-more-dangerous?cid1=cust/ednew/n/bl/n/20160915n/owned/n/n/nwl/n/n/n/n When Corbyn wins the leadership election with the majority of votes from his personality cult, as surely he will, the centre-left needs urgently to look upon the decomposed remains of the Labour party as the opportunity to re-form a social democratic parliamentary party dedicated to fighting for political power through the electoral ballot box, with policies that reach across narrow political-tribal borders.

Aside from your usual self-serving mythologising, how on earth did you miss the really big implication of that article - that if the big beasts (you have to include France as well who have elections) in the EU won't be ready to negotiate until the Autumn, then it makes no sense to trigger Article 50 until after those elections. After all, what politician in their right mind would trigger a two-year-deadline-driven legal clause and then twiddle their thumbs for up to nine months of those two year? But - this being Brexit and the age of post-factual, irrational politics - how are politicians going to withstand the rising hysteria from Brexiters if Article 50 is NOT triggered in Jan/Feb next year? It seems May and her three Brexiteers are bound to make a decision they know is wrong - and hugely damaging to British economic interests.

It's funny how you read that quote. I read it as the sort of thing an executioner says just before bringing down the guillotine. Verhofstadt is a federal fundamentalist. He's also the European Parliament's point man for Brexit negotiations. He's not going to go soft - on the contrary, he thinks Britain out of the EU is a good thing. That's the problem: each bit of the EU has lined up arch opponents of Britain to do the negotiating. Brexiters, who've been in the habit of talking as if the UK can simply announce its terms, turn up to meetings and leave stuffed with UK-friendly agreements, are in for an awful shock.

So while one Corbynist cultist equates ISIS with anti-fascists, another celebrates the life-threatening illness of a Jewish politician who happened to be one of the key architects of the Oslo Accords. If you read through the Twitter feed of this particular individual, 'Revolutionary Cat', you get a horrifying insight into the obsessional and paranoid Corbynist hive mind. https://twitter.com/IainDale/status/775814523781513216

This will make the Corbyn cultists truly electable. Tosh Macdonald, president of the train drivers' union ASLEF, told a TUC fringe meeting today that Hilary Benn is no different to Adolph Hitler, and that ISIS is comparable to the republicans fighting Francoist fascists in the Spanish civil war. “The only comparison I can draw is with Hitler and Mussolini, bombing the republican lines in Spain.” 'Benn bad/ISIS good' is a great slogan. I can see the votes rolling in come the election/revolution. Perhaps a peerage for Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is already in the offing? http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/hilary-benn-compared-to-hitler-by-pro-jeremy-corbyn-union-leader_uk_57d6fdf1e4b0ac5a02df2f17