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Oh dear. You are so naive. Colonialism was how it was back then and I am very proud of the fact that we were the best at it. If we hadn't been such a great power we'd have been speaking French in the 19th century and we'd have been speaking German today. It was a necessity at the time to be a power in the face of threats we faced. But that is all academic to the issue of how we withdrew from our Empire. It was a disaster and millions have died since because of Labour and how they scrambled to dismatle it. In some instances we had no choice in the face of nationalism, but in other instances such as Rhodesia there was a strong government that was good for the people. Ian smith knew his country - he was an African afterall, but we couldn't allow him to gradually move the country forward as and when the tribal conditions dictated it was feasible. The result of the unmanaged exit is the mess we see today with a country that was once the bread basket of Africa, with edication and medical care for all, in turmoil with people starving. dieing of treatable illnesses and being murdered for not toeing the zanu line. And now we've gone who has stepped in? It's the Chinese - the bastions of humans rights.

Well it's certainly true of the Lounge Elite. They would rather the poor starve than the western powers intervene and bring stable governance. Harold Wilson is prime example of a Socialist with the blood of millions on his hands who have died prematurely thanks to his rushed scramble out of an Africa. What was needed was a gradual process whereby majority rule was phased in as and when given countries were ready for it. Due to the tribal divisions it was indirect genocide to abandon these people in the way we did.

*note how the left start hurling insults when their eastern block ideologies provide no answers*

It's the same in Africa. Rhodesia is perfect example of how a country can deteriorate once a responsible government is removed.

It's part of the Conservative psyche to help out nations that are less fortunate. This was the driving force behind our missionary endeavours throughout the centuries. Granted that colonialism was in our interests too, but we brought modern practices and we raised living standards. As Margaret Thatcher once said "Socialists would rather the poor were poorer so long as the gap between the rich and the poor was smaller".

Go on, we might like it.

A fascinating series, but I can't get my head round why the tv crew or the person who's featuring can't bung them a few quid. Take tonights episode where the little girl has malaria - if I was him i'd give 50p or whatever it cost out there and get her into a hospital. It's almost like they're filming a nature documentary and the natives are the animals. In Rhodesia before 1980 all the people were provided with schooling and medical care, but since then we've gone backwards in our attitudes towards helping those less fortunate. The Western powers have allowed poor governance into these countries and these programmes are perfect illustration of what has happened because of our abadonment of these poor people.

Personally i'd rather see the work shy slobs in orange boiler suits litter picking or better still take away their council houses and put them in work houses. It really annoys me how these slobs (whole families of several generations) milk the system. I applaud the Conservative led coalition for doing their best to make their cushy lives miserable.

Turnstile A is where you meet for a blind date.

We can't all be perfect like you.

I think he's a good player unlike Guly who i think is sh/t. So much for the theory of those who wave the race card when I criticise Guly.

My great great grand dad was a blacksmith. This picture was taken of him in 1930 and it was used on the cherry blossom shoe polish tins. Another great great grand dad was a wealthy auctioneer who bought a large house (mansion) off Lord Lonsdale (famous for the Lonsdale belt and his yellow cars etc one of which was driven by pop larkin in the darling buds of may).

I went for The Mail on Sunday.

Since the News of the World stopped I need to know. (obviously I won't be buying the Guardian, the Mirror or The People)

Great numbers and very loud support. Our support has been sh/t lately so it was good to see.

I thought you sounded really loud on the TV. You did us proud.

It's a great city, just get hammered would be my plan.

It's our territory so we can do what we like.

It's the same with the short corner, with all that snow flying about it should have been banged straight in because that is just what the defenders wouldn't have wanted.

By making out I started this thread with a stupid thread title. If anyone had posted how wonderful Guly is that would have been fine, but because your gang all kicked up a fuss it wasn't up for discussion and so to reaffirm your allegience to their pithy cause you move the posts and give the thread a title that suits yours and their view point.

The replies on here sum how this place has become. Unless you post happy clappy posts the web fans will cry until threads are deleted, locked or merged.

Oh ffs, are you saint clarks milk monitor.

Please can yo keep your negative views off the forum.

That'll do. 11 v 11 unlike usual when we have to carry Guly, and it made us much harder to beat.

Yeah, we'll be 3-0 up and it'll be called off.