Sour Mash

Did anyone manage to catch any of this evening's Belgium game?

What, in particular, do you find brilliant about his character?

I haven't listed area and towns with "brown people in them", if I wanted to do that there'd be plenty more places I could list. For what it's worth parts of the Sikh community around Southall (Hounslow is becoming Islamified and I've seen confrontations between Sikhs and Muslms about it, but that's another story) and the Jewish community around Golders Green (Stamford Hill is the real problem in terms of their significant unintergration) are unintergrated and should make more effort, but the scale is much smaller than that of Islamfication and there simply haven't been the same problems coming out of those areas, as listed earlier in the thread.

What have I invented? Are you suggesting there aren't extremists here?

Yes, significant numbers. If they live in an area that is largely populated by other muslims, shop in islamic shops, dress differently, have little social interaction with other communities. Are you telling me that you would define some of the Islamic communities in parts of East London, Birmingham, Rochdale etc as integrated? Do you think it is consequently just a coincidence that islamic communities have produced jihadist fighters, Trojan Horse conspirators, tube and bus bombers, paedophile rings and other communities haven't? Yes, I’ve seen the take over of areas first hand, as have other people I know, it’s hardly a secret, or are you suggesting it isn’t something that has happened?

How exactly am I "banging the extremist drum"? What are you on about? I haven't once painted all muslims as all extremists, do don't try to make things up, as I know you love to do.

You're still missing the point, I'm not sure if it's deliberate or you just find it difficult to understand. If you have a community that is significantly unintergrated, it can be of little surprise that it produces significant numbers of individuals that considers it acceptable to blow themselves up on the tube, take part in Jihadist wars, take over schools, attack people for drinking in "muslim" areas, be part of organised Paedophile gangs.

Why would I mention the moderates I know, what does that have to do with my point? Why do I need to know extremsts, what does that have to do with the debate? You can only thnk the Islamification of areas of the UK a bad thing if you know extremestists and no "moderates"?

Becasuse we have allowed the creation of large areas of our towns and cites where individuals consider their particular society and culture above, beyond and ultimately different and seperate to mainstream UK society it can be no surprise that such individuals consider it acceptable that to go on Jihadist wars, to Islamify schools, blow themselves up on our tubes and buses. They aren't intergrated - and why would they be if the area they live in and those that influence, live and work with them are all living in a society where Islamic culture is dominant, growing and taking over communities that had previously been in situ.

I haven't referred to all people of muslim faith as one single community, don't make stuff up, unless what is most likely, you don't understand what you're actually debating.

I know plenty of "moderates"and I've plenty of experience of intergrated, very decent muslim folk thanks. I can also see the damage that large scale islamfication has had had on many of our towns and cities. But tell us more about your life in Liverpool, I'm keen to know more.

Agreed, but it wasn't just one or two loons, but regular posters filling up these pages, day in, day out with their "expert theories", how they get by in life I'll never know.

I know more muslms than 90% of people on here thanks. Tell us more about your life in Liverpool though, that is interesting and relevant. "Oooh, I agree with Hypo"

I know plenty of Muslims thanks. So you would be excited and happy with a large mosque being built at the end of your road, your local shop being turned into a Halal butchers, local pub being closed, long-standng population moving out as large scale Muslim population move in, that is fair enough,but a lot of people wouldn't like that. I'm glad you agree that large sections of our country have become Islamified though.

I didn't mention Liverpool, it's not really relevant in this debate, but thanks for bringing it up as per usual. And last time I checked the Polish community weren't indulging in international jihadists, paedophile rings, bombings and beheadings in the UK, Trojan Horse take over of schools, so most people can live with a couple of Polish shops.

Collectively they change the culture and outlook of an area, most non-muslim people don't want to live an Islamic area, as they feel like an outsider to the collective culture of the area. Would you want a Mosque built at the end of your road? How often do you shop at a Halal butcher?

You've obviously tried really hard at a joke here, but not addressed any of his points.

East London, Hounslow, Harrow Weald, Edgware Road, Luton, Birmingham, Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale, just as quick examples. Building/opening of Mosques, Islamic Cultural Centres, Halal Butchers, huge influx of a muslim population over the years.

Large parts of this country are becoming islamified. It is an utter embarrassment there are people from the UK fighting for Isis etc, but sadly no surprise at all.

Agreed, absolute joke of a decision. Hodgson is clueless and is only still in a job due to the lack of reasonable alternatives.

I agree, it will be interesting to see how the CBs pan out, some are happy playing either side, others are not. For what it's worth, I'd expect Mane to start in place of Long.

Why would you not drop a player for a better player until he has a "'mare"? Give the squad time to settle, but ultimately, play the best team.

Romania are playing. I thought Pelle was going to be in the Provisional Italy squad? I take it he didn't make the cut.

It'll save a couple of quid, but hardly a packet.