alpine_saint

Sorry, thats b*ll*cks. Not one point has been made to counter the argument. I know the main mode of operation is stealth (slow) already. "Submarines dont need high speed" is crap. Every other nation building them design for much higher speed than us (or at least achieve their design speeds after 10billion of investment), and there are emergency cases where it is necessary, such as crash diving or emergency surfacing.

More like lying flat on my back after getting a spasm putting baby to bed for a nap this morning. F**k me I am in pain.

Very pleased at the result, and the nature of the performance. But forgive me if I remain reserved until we demonstrate the ability to perform like this against teams other than the only one below us in the table.

Really, really chuffed we've scored, but this sort of comment leaves me shaking my head.........

Ah. The penny drops.

Oh, I see... "trounced" means enough people shout and sneer at you, sod the content. Dell Days doesnt even read stuff properly before getting a dismissal in, unlike moonraker who is a least courteous. Nope, not convinced, pap.

Well, their paranoia and over-reaction certainly doesnt help matters, but comparing them directly to the Nazis is appaling.

Odd analogy. If someone comes up behind me in my car, in another car, firing a machine gun at me, I am going to use my cars top speed. Even you admit it can be used for running away. Akula- and Yasen-class Russian SSNs are apparently capable of 35Kts. so, if one was heading for an Astute in a time of conflict, how will an Astute captain respond ? He can : Fire torpedos at it and destroy it. But has he got the correct rules of engagement to do so ? He may well start WW3. Leg it. Only his limping Astute is going to be overrun by the Akula/Yasen and they MIGHT have the rules of engagement to fire first. I can already hear you thinking "ah, but the Akula/Yasen is deaf sonar-wise at high speed, whereas his noise makes it p*ss easy to locate it. But again, maybe Mr Astute doesnt have the rules of engagement (highly likely with our Govt.) to fire first, so he might go by blind, but then again he might get lucky and fire off a couple of active sonar bursts, dial in a firing solution and send Mr Astute to the bottom whilst its captain is still wriggling his thumbs. The fact that we can spend 10billion and not put together a submarine capable of contemporary performance is a JOKE.

No, I dont. At the risk of sounding childish, in both cases the Jews "didnt start it", they were attacked in an attempt to eliminate them.

Why ? I am not justifying anything, just offering a possible explanation for the strength of their response. Israel has been surrounded by peoples and nations wanting to wip it from the face of the earth since its founding; in fact going back to Biblical times. And they have as much claim to the land as the Palestinians, imo.

We wont make as much profit as you think if we are selling him from the Championship. What a truly lunatic business plan we have this season.....

Jews were being attacked in the area from the strike in December 1947. On the backdrop of the Holocaust and events like Kristalnacht, can you really say you are surprised by how they responded ?

Blame, Jordan, Iraq, Egypt and Syria for invading the day after a Israel became independent, and the Arab League and Arab Higher Committe for Palestine rejecting the much more equitable plan put forward by the UN in 1947. As with all the history down there, there is a massive dose of self-inflictment. In contrast, dont recall reading that Jews across Europe got together in the 1930s and attacked Germany.

This. Also, when non-Jewish Spurs fans sing it, they are not attempting to be offensive; they wish to be identified with it. So rather than be offensive, I actually see it as compliementary.

You can pin your hopes all on one player, personally I would have preferrred us to go for a balanced squad over the summer. One careless kick and its over, and you can be guaranteed our opposition know that too. Besides, I aint convinced he is our knight in shining armour.

Sure its not as bad as a Type VIIC U-boat, as U-96 was, but apparently Astutes ahve less space than Trafalgars despite being much bigger.

This comment is contemptible.

Au contraire, its very fashionable. The media are completely behind the Palestinians, despite the fact it is their cowardly rocket attacks from densely-populated civilian areas that has caused this. Without their actions, those little children would still be alive. I feel really bad about the loss to civilian life, but I am completely behind the Israelis.

Did the Rank Xerox kit always have the black bordering between red and white ? I dont remember it.

Yes, I am beginning to think this too. Getting Ramirez looks more stupid by the day.

Who then also loses his wicket, meaning another top-order batsman. Its f**king ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as Englands inability to play spin. Really surpsied that Pietersen didnt throw his wicket away. Has his exclusion from the T20 tournament somehow made him grow up ?

Erm, I am not sure there has actually been a "I'm right, you are wrong" discussion here. I started the thread and asked about the veractiy of the Guardian article, was told it was b*ll*cks in what I considered was a snooty manner, but am not convinced about the reasons given as to why it is b*ll*cks. And remain so.

How can an exchange of opinions end in a "trouncing" ? What utter b*ll*cks. Do you see an exchange of views as a battle to be won ? Weird.

3 down. F**king useless Watch Pietersen smack a 4 then throw his wicket away tonight.