KelvinsRightGlove

You undervalue everything and everyone. This is the point. That is your fault.

I'm going to 'fess up. I do quite like listening to it. Mostly for lols at people getting so wound up at presenters that are so obviously trying to wind them up.

Crikey. Didn't realise that. Knew AC had been a mess for a few years now, but wow. Don't really follow that much European footy to be honest. As my ignorance is now showing.

Dortmund are having a stinker so far this season aren't they?

So if someone was to get the victim blind drunk and then raped them without force, they would go free?

Given the high % of rapes where this is the case, what would be your suggestion Saint86?

You did also say we wouldn't get £20m+ for any of our players. So we'll see

Spose one could look at it that way, hadn't thought of it like that myself, but it is an interesting thought.

He should also get his friends and family to get that awful website in his name pulled down.

That's interesting, I hadn't heard about that before. Thanks for sharing. That Telegraph article a while back seemed to have a lot of insider info regarding bids (something about the meeting with Arsenal expected to be about a bid for Morgan but actually about Chambers?). Wonder where that has come from.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvq6pH5Rheg

Here we go again

That's a pretty dangerous attitude to take when it comes to rape. How can any case of rape ever be proven 100%, beyond all shred of doubt? It's this reason why rape convictions are so low, and why women are often so reluctant to come forward. Can you imagine having to constantly re-tell the story of being sexually abused to a bunch of strangers, and then having your story torn to shreds and trying to discredit you in front of a court full of people. In this case the the victim is having t do so under even more intense scrutiny, and is having a website set up to attack her, being named publicly and trolled by friends family of her attacker. It's a very hard balance to get. Obviously the accused should be able to defend themselves, and yes they should be innocent until proven guilty - but he was found guilty by the courts.

I'm sure that is a totally impartial source, with no bias or agenda.

Lol pray for men.

Yeah standing, can't stand seated. Especially after being told to sit down when The Mac played The Chain last year. Speaking of which... Ace, very jealous. Saw them at the o2 last year and they were great. Just a shame about the effing boring and annoying gits telling me off for not sitting still when they played The Chain (or anything else).

Mocks people losing kids, and a rape apologist. Sounds like a top guy.

It's not as if it's uncommon employers to run CRB checks on potential employees. Many can be refused work for crimes considered much less offensive (of course that is subjective - but probably unsurprising given my posting history I find rape extremely abhorrent). I've known people to lose jobs over records for theft or carrying a small amount of drugs. Rape is, in my opinion, a much greater offence, and Evans will be going into a job many dream of doing and is in a position to be looked up to. Personally, I wouldn't want him anywhere near football again. By biggest problem with him is that he shows no remorse and is actually intent on hurting the victim further. His friends and family run a really nasty website, troll the victim, have named her publicly, and published videos of her that he and his mates took at the time. He doesn't deny having sex with her, his line of defence is pretty much": "She was so wasted (which me and my mates contributed to) that she couldn't say no, she was having sex with my mate whilst we were in the room (and videoing her) so I thought I'd join in without asking. How is that rape?". The man is utter scum. I have no sympathy for him whatsoever. Of course the PFA are going to stand by him, they are a union for players - players pay their bills. It's unfortunate they stand behind these people, as I can't imagine they are desperate for fees from a L1 player, but there you go.

I'd agree with you and Tim too. ** Pointless semi related tangent **. I read a book that was loosely based on this idea (Making History) which kind of rifted on the idea of going back and changing things to prevent WWII, and the effect it had. Was quite interesting.

The fact they are all skint kind of shows that they aren't all at it. I'm not going to sit and say no-one has ever taken money to write a story, obviously that would be daft. There is corruption in every industry. But, I see no evidence (hey, there was a huge scandal about journalists, their ethics and conduct recently - nothing much came out about clubs paying sports writers) and have heard nothing about it. The closest I've seen or been told about is clubs offering 'friendly' status to journo's and most are reluctant to accept that. Yeah, football coverage in Spain is pretty much dominated by Barca & Real. I've spoken about this before too. My friend is only recently moved out to Spain, so hasn't come across it too much yet. It may not affect him so much, as he focuses mainly on the PL. But, that isn't really of great bearing on the British media. The entire Spanish football set up is pretty corrupt and massively skewed in favour of those two teams. That isn't the case here (as in UK, not Saints specific), some of the bigger clubs may receive more, though I'm not necessarily favourable coverage - but it's just a numbers game. The Sports section can only take up so much room, and in that only x% will be football. The papers pander to their audience, the bigger clubs have more fans. Heck, City are third and performing better than they were this time last season - yet they are supposedly in melt down. The big clubs get more coverage, sure, but I don't think that means it's all favourable. Seriously though, have a look at some footy journos on Twitter. Whatever they say there will people coming out saying "you are trying to hurt us", "you've got an agenda", "everyone in the media is anti-club 'x'" Look at this Stoke fan going through the same things: Maybe the media just hate Red and White stripes?

Tabloid reporters (and even then far from the majority of them) operate in a pretty different way to sports writers.

Lol forever. I'm sorry mate, I do often agree with you, but this is getting daft now. You can't prove it doesn't happen. Well, no obviously not. It's nigh on impossible to prove a negative. All the information I have on the working of footy writers comes directly from a friend from primary school (about 20 years for me) that is a football writer. He has written for most papers as a freelancer, held a position at the Daily Mail and now currently writes for AS in Madrid. Please forgive me taking the word of someone in the industry over paranoid hunches. Football writers are skint by and large. Most journalists are, there isn't great money in it - unless of course you do become one of the very few well known ones that make a name and get on tele loads and write books too. Even then they don't exactly make mega-bucks. These cash-for-stories accusations are just simply off the mark. It simply is not worth it to anyone involved; the club, the paper and most of all the writer.

Further to that, there has been a lot of discussion about Tottenham, their structure, the performance of Levy, Baldini & MP, their recruitment process, and the performance of the players they have purchased. But nah, this is a story generated solely to destabilise Saints, derail their Champions League aims and line the pockets of them corrupt journos.

I spoke about this briefly the other (kind of). The way journalists come up with stories is often misrepresented by those not inside the 'media' (for want of a better word). 99.9% of stories, however spurious they may seem will come from someone. The idea that they just sit at their desk or in a coffee shop and think "I'm going to link player x to club y" is nonsense. Stories can come from players (most likely through agents of course, or family members etc) for myriad reasons, or they can from clubs, or 3rd party clubs for their own reasons. It would be extremely unethical for a journalist to pluck stories out of thin air. Yes, stories or info they receive may be passed on with an agenda (it usually is). Now, claiming that journalists are pressured or even paid to write stories is a huge accusation. Journalists do take their job seriously, and they would find these accusations extremely offensive. It would serve them absolutely no purpose whatsoever, other than the few quid they may gain (which probably isn't going to be a great deal) an would put their career in serious jeopardy - proof of that would almost certainly end their career. Why on earth would any journalist risk their career to drive an agenda against Saints? Much as I love Saints, the majority of the country really couldn't care about us. To many (rightly or wrongly), we are like Stoke, Hull or West Brom - relatively inoffensive teams that kind of just exist. They may talk about how good our academy is, or gosh they're well run or our fans are deluded etc. But really, we aren't a big draw. They have no reason to act in such a way and commit potential career suicide over us. We just aren't that important. I seem to spend a bizarre amount of time discussing journalistic ethics at the minute. Pap may be one of the few people that understands why, it's odd