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The point I was trying to make is that trolling can be a two-way street, ( as that is, I believe, all you are in fact doing ).

This being TMS, I'm sure there's a very distasteful retort somewhere waiting to be added to the thread.

Did anybody see this ? http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6875376.ece Basically the Italians were patrolling a 'quiet' area, which they handed over to the French, who promptly got stamped on and had 10 soldiers killed in an ambush. Turns out, the reason it was quiet for the eyeties was that they were paying the Talebannies to not shoot at them. So much for allies !

But in 3 years time, when we are back in the promised land, the officials will be professional, and they will still get it wrong !

It's the whole 'interfering/not interfering with play' malarky the 'first' and 'second' phase ball ( which I thought was Rugby ), and whether the player is 'live', ( doubtful for some - at least they are probably brain dead ), or not at the time the ball is played. I think Bill Shankly's "Any player of mine who isn't interfering with play doesn't deserve to be on the pitch" sets the right tone. Go back to the basic if you have only 1 opponent between you and the goal when the ball is played forward, you are offside. Simples. And if there is any doubt about the buildup when a goal is scored, go to a TV replay, they do it in Rugby.

Indeed ! At various times they have given aid, sometimes clandestine sometimes overt, to Ho Chi Minh, Saddam Hussein, and General Manuel Noriega, as well as Osama BinBag Laden.

Sorry ESB, Muslim is not a nationality; chances are the scalded bloke IS English.

Evening chaps, only able to dip in and out 'cos I'm busy, but notice Bart is playing. How's he doing ?

The counter argument, ( the one that link tries to poo-poo ) ; http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/2009/07/peak-oil-myth-or-reality-list-of.html Plus see this : http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080625004821AAarTwn ( which is a 'debunk of this 'experiment' http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf047/sf047p12.htm ) and this http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=228x39111 And a brief explanation of the true science behind the production of oil ; http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Formation-of-Oil-in-the-Earths-Surface&id=813883 ( See St G, you are not the only one who knows how to trawl GOOGLE ) :cool:

St G, this is, I am afraid, complete hokum of the highest order, such that I am suprised that even you would quote it ( And I am another microbiologist, ( at least by training ), BSc from Swansea Uni; Hello Saintfully )

Well hopefully they can revoke that decision should Garside's stupid plan come close to fruition.

If the guy was genuinely mentally ill after being involved in the Gulf War, then surely the system let him down big time ?

Isn't there a rule about teams playing in european competitions having to come from the country they represent, and this prevents Cardiff or Swansea playing in europe if they qualify through the PL or the FA Cup ? In which case, that would screw Celtic or Rangers european ambitions.

I wonder if she got paid ? If so, that would be the ultimate insult to his memory.

A few genuine examples from my place of work; In a training course, "now move your mouse around the screen", at which point one attendee does indeed pick up the mouse and rolls it over the surface of the screen. The IT Manager ( !!! ) called me to say his screen was broken. After trying a couple of things over the phone to no avail, I decided to go for the blindingly obvious, "Is it turned on ?". And my favourite one was from a public library.. "I can't get onto (such and such a ) website" "That's because it's down at the moment" "When will you have it fixed" "I'm sorry I can't do anything about it" "Why not ? You're IT aren't you ?" "Yes, but that site is in San Francisco"

"might invite an Irish franchise"..... Since when were football clubs franchises ? I know MK Dons uprooted themselves, but would fans put up with the sort of system the NFL has, with clubs moving around the country chasing financial inducements ? ( Hang on, now I understand why Bagpuss is supportive ... )

The 'Home Secretary' said this was because the experience in the USofA was that the penalty itself wasn't inhumane, it was the protracted existence on Death Row that gave concern. There was also the point about only one appeal being permitted. On the whole I am sure the program hit all the right pro-buttons with the Daily Mail or Currant Bun readers.

But wasn't that part of the pretext of the program ? Britain had to withdraw from the European Convention on Human Rights to bring back the death penalty. I would have rather thought that this went against 'natural justice'.

Following on from the capital punishment debate we had in the Lounge a few weeks ago, this served to confirm for me why the death penalty should never be brought back. Within the context of the 'case' portrayed 2 questions come to mind; Firstly, if he had already been found guilty and served time in Vietnam for the 'crimes', whether we approved of the scale of the sentence or not, how would we be able to prosecute him for them again ? Second, if you carry out some act elsewhere in the world, and years later the British Government create a new law against it, could you realistically be charged with breaking a law that didn't exist at the time of your actions ? Particularly if the penalty were so severe.

Up until the 11th century, the 'Scots' mostly lived in Ireland, the 'Caledonians' in what we now call Scotland were mostly Picts. Isn't history confusing at times. Mind you, I think with Glasgow football fans it's generally 'any excuse for a ruck'.

The scots did plenty of invading, raping, and pillaging of English towns as well. Take a lok at the history of Berwick or Carlisle. ( There were also my ancestors, the Border Reivers, who pillaged both sides ). If you look at the Jacobite risings in support of James II, a lot of the forces deployed on the crown side were Scottish covenanters and lowlanders. If you are referring to Culloden and the aftermath, a large part of those 'english' forces were also protestant scots looking for an excuse to kill off those clans who supported the Italian born, half Polish, Bonnie Prince Charlie's claim to the throne. The Glencoe 'massacre' was a strictly 'scots on scots' affair, between the Campbells and the MacDonalds.

Why don't you get off the fence, and let us really know how you feel about this topic ? PS; are you sure you actually ever were British ?

God Save the King was written to rally support for ( the German ) George II during Bonny Prince Charlie's march on London in 1745. It was not adopted as the national anthem until the Napoleonic wars. The words to Rule Britannia were written by a Scot. And Land of Hope and Glory, is actually to a tune by Elgar, ( see your comment ). My major objection to it is it's being hijacked by the Tories.

Take a look at who wrote Jerusalem, and what it's about. Also, Elgar was English, as is Peter Graham. And last time I looked, Wales was in Britain. My wife has suggested that maybe I should have considered something by Gustav Holst or Frederic Delius,....wonder where they came from ?

Jerusalem, as played by one of the top Championship brass bands. Listen to the version on the Brassed Off soundtrack. If not that, then any good hymn tune in the same genre. As a republican I cannot abide GSTQ, as a national anthem consider the cheese eating surrenders monkeys' choice, the Marseillaise is a truly rousing tune. As for Land of Dope and Tories or Rule Britannia, absolute jingoistic, blue rinse, tripe. Why can't the English find something to match Land of my Fathers ? As for something that 'moves' me, the theme from Schindler's List or the Elgar cello concerto, the version recorded by Jaqueline DuPre. Or my daughter playing flugel on Peter Graham's brass band arrangement of Away In a Manger.