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12 selected 'reasons why climate change is natural', as presented by the Daily Express.............. 49) The head of Britain’s climate change watchdog has predicted households will need to spend up to £15,000 on a full energy efficiency makeover if the Government is to meet its ambitious targets for cutting carbon emissions. 50) Wind power is unlikely to be the answer to our energy needs. The wind power industry argues that there are “no direct subsidies” but it involves a total subsidy of as much as £60 per MWh which falls directly on electricity consumers. This burden will grow in line with attempts to achieve Wind power targets, according to a recent OFGEM report. 51) Wind farms are not an efficient way to produce energy. The British Wind Energy Association (BWEA) accepts a figure of 75 per cent back-up power is required. 53) Climate alarmists have raised the concern over acidification of the oceans but Tom Segalstad from Oslo University in Norway , and others, have noted that the composition of ocean water – including CO2, calcium, and water – can act as a buffering agent in the acidification of the oceans. 55) The argument that climate change is a of result of global warming caused by human activity is the argument of flat Earthers. 56) The manner in which US President Barack Obama sidestepped Congress to order emission cuts shows how undemocratic and irrational the entire international decision-making process has become with regards to emission-target setting. 58 ) Canada has shown the world targets derived from the existing Kyoto commitments were always unrealistic and did not work for the country. 59) In the lead up to the Copenhagen summit, David Davis MP said of previous climate summits, at Rio de Janeiro in 1992 and Kyoto in 1997 that many had promised greater cuts, but “neither happened”, but we are continuing along the same lines. 60) The UK ’s environmental policy has a long-term price tag of about £55 billion, before taking into account the impact on its economic growth. 61) The UN’s panel on climate change warned that Himalayan glaciers could melt to a fifth of current levels by 2035. J. Graham Cogley a professor at Ontario Trent University, claims this inaccurate stating the UN authors got the date from an earlier report wrong by more than 300 years. 62) Under existing Kyoto obligations the EU has attempted to claim success, while actually increasing emissions by 13 per cent, according to Lord Lawson. In addition the EU has pursued this scheme by purchasing “offsets” from countries such as China paying them billions of dollars to destroy atmospheric pollutants, such as CFC-23, which were manufactured purely in order to be destroyed. 65) The globe’s current approach to climate change in which major industrialised countries agree to nonsensical targets for their CO2 emissions by a given date, as it has been under the Kyoto system, is very expensive Can St G or Dune please explain how these points PROVE their case.
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Cold snaps can be predicted by global warming theory, and changes in their frequency, severity, and location, lend support to the general theory; http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2009-01-14-voa5-68761472.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/4436934/Snow-is-consistent-with-global-warming-say-scientists.html http://climateprogress.org/2009/12/20/global-warming-copenhagen-snow-storm-blizzard-extreme-weather/ http://www.examiner.com/x-558-Congress-Examiner~y2009m12d15-Does-cold-weather-disprove-global-warming-No-says-common-sense http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=cold-winter-doesnt-mean-global-warm-2009-02-12 PS, love the bit in the Examiner article which pinches St G's 'sheeple' phrase and turns it on the 'anti's
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Would that be the mess the bankers helped to get us into ? On the subject of packaging, why do I have to throw so much that is marked as recyclable into the general rubbish, because the council picks out those types of plastic it will accept ? If it can be recycled, bl00dy well recycle it ! :confused:
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There are only 2 things that are certain, and taxes are one of them
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Stick your head back in your dune !!!
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Agreed
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Why don't you go away and actually do some reading on the 'theory'. It is entirely predictable that an overall warming effect can cause such cold spells, they can be induced by changes in trans-oceanic currents that are caused by heat absorbtion by the sea. Historically, Britain's climate has been out of phase with the continent due to the warming effect of the trans-Atlantic currents, we have generally warmer winters than our neighbours. As these currents change course, and use a more southerly track, we come more into the influence of colder northern waters drawn down from the Arctic.
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Most canopy and emergent trees live between 300 and 400 years, but some can survive for over 1000. With reference to our own landscape, view them as oaks or yews, rather than pines or birches.
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The issue is that 'ancient' rain forest actually has very little soil in the first place. The conditions beneath the canopy enable rapid re-absorbtion and recycling of dead materials, so soil never gets formed from the detritus.
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It will, but it will take hundreds, if not thousands, of years for it to happen. The secondary forest will tend to be comprised of tree species that can grow and spread quickly, rather than those that inhabit the 'ancient' parts. These species will be accompanied by other opportunistic, fast growing / spreading, ground cover plants, which strive to stifle the much slower germinating/growing 'old forest' species. The "old" forest will nibble away at the boundary with the "new", and will in time supplant it, but it needs time for it's offspring to gain a foothold. Once the giants get going, however, they will eventually cut out the light that the infiltrators need. The other plants such as mosses and ferns will only spread once the conditions of temperature and humidity have stabilised beneath the new high-level canopy.
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Most of which is only usable for about 3 years because the soil is so thin. The forests are so dense because of the leaf litter and other biological waste they trap and recycle. Take away the trees and there is nothing to sustain the ecosystem.
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http://www.eoearth.org/article/Deforestation_in_Amazonia Plus, of course, you need to include the asian forests, which are similarly coming down at an alarming rate.
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Well that is certainly incorrect. As has been mentioned many times on here, there are many sources of CO2, whether biological, geological, or man-made. The increase in the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere is fuelling the greenhouse effect, if the level can be stabilised, ( or preferably brought down a little, by removing the influence of humans, the effect should halt. Therefore we need to look at how we can reduce the man-made part of the equation ; the natural and geological sources, which balance the needs of the plant and animal kingdoms, will remain. ( Note, plants can only absorb CO2 during daylight, when they photosynthesise, at night they respire and can actually produce CO2. ) You also need to factor in the effect that man is having on the natural CO2 'sinks', the rainforests and the oceanic photoplankton. Crop yields are far more likely to fall due to increased temperatures and declining rainfall in arable farming areas, caused by AGW.
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To summarise, there are 42 names on that list, grouped as follows; 3 "deniers", 1 of whom says the world is cooling ( ! ), and another is directly linked to the coal industry. 4 who say that the science is not yet good enough to be used to accurately predict what is happening. 23 debate the cause, but accept the warming is happening. 9 say the cause is yet to be proven as man-made or not. And the last 3 simply say it's nothing to worry about. And I would point out this key clause "For the purpose of this list, a scientist is a person who has published at least one peer-reviewed article during their lifetime in the broadly-construed area of natural sciences, though not necessarily in recent years nor in a field relevant to climate." So maybe not quite as conclusive as you had expected ? And it could be countered by this similar link, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_consensus, which includes the statement "The majority of climate scientists agree that global warming is primarily caused by human activities such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation". I must say, WG, that you do at least present your case in a polite and sensible manner, unlike some I will not mention.
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"Give me Honda, Give me Sony, So cheap and so phoney" The Clash - "The Magnificent Seven"
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You cannot beat a group of alien robots laughing at "...and then they smash them all to bits!".
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"All I Want for Christmas is a Dukla Prague Away Kit" by Half man Half Biscuit, or most of the tracks on Phil Spector's "A Christmas Gift For You"
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I think even AH & HH would have been stretched to manage 6 million between just the 2 of them, and at the same time ruin Germany's chances of winning the war and manage the suppression of the rest of occupied Europe !
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But surely Uncle Adolf and the chicken farmer fail the test, they didn't actually KILL anybody themselves, it was all franchised out & sub-contracted to people such as Karl Jaeger, Viktors Arajs, Franz Stahlecker, and John Demjanjuk.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion The largest 'hole' so far observed in the ozone layer was in 2006, and a measurable recovery is not expected until at least 2024. The point about the 'new ice-age' predictions at the start of the 70's was being based on a presumed continuation of a slight cooling trend observed between the 1940's and the 1960's; this pre-dated the advances in climate science bought about by improved satellite observations, which in turn led to the global warming hypotheses, now proved to be correct.
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Shock, Horror ! Readers of a right-wing rag decide that they don't trust a Labour PM. Do try harder.
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From http://greenerblog.blogspot.com/2009/12/todays-buzz-is-about-moscow-based-free.html "So I ask the Met Office for a comment. They reply: The World Meteorological Organisation chooses the set of stations designated as essential climate stations that have been released by the Met Office. These are evenly distributed across the globe and provide a fair representation of changes in global average temperature over land. We do not choose these stations and therefore it is impossible for the Met Office to fix the data. The global temperatures record, HadCRUT has been shown to underestimate the rise in global average temperatures over the past 30 years when compared against a fuller analysis of global temperatures. This analysis includes information from a wide range of sources such as satellites, radiosondes, and sea surface temperature data, but does not include surface observations used in HadCRUT, so is fully independent. The analysis shows that HadCRUT under-estimates the warming in the Russian region, in particular, because of the limited availability of Northern Hemisphere high latitude observations. The Met Office is keen to publish all underpinning station data as it becomes available. We are already in the process of seeking agreement to release the underpinning data from its owners. (emphasis added) So it looks as if the IEA have got it wrong about who removed the measuring points, and in any case, there is no evidence that they are removing stations that are too cold. So it looks as if it is another damp squib from the deniers. This will not stop them from spraying it around the blogosphere, and to news sources which are also in denial. A lie is halfway around the world before the truth has got its boots on. The red line shows readings from the smaller set of 121 stations, and the blue line is for the larger set of 476 stations. They agree very well since 1950. Before that, the red smaller set, the ones chosen by the data collectors, show colder temps. It is true that the pruned readings from 1990 on are fractionally warmer than the full set, but the difference is not significant, as both lines are cooler than the best estimate grey line.It is odd that the selected by the WMO is more cold in the 1880s, going beyond the grey line of total uncertainty. The key point is that the two sets agree very well from the 1960s onward. So - no goal for the skeptics at the Institute for Economic Analysis. Maybe they should stick to economics. "
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My first car was a 20 year-old Morris Traveller, bought for £70 but without an off-side rear wheel arch. At the time I was cycling the 15 miles to work most days, and one day on the way home I spotted something on a grass verge - it turned out to be a fibre-glass off-side wheel arch for a Morris Traveller ! I picked it up and cycled the remaining 12 miles or so with it over my shoulder.
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He held court in the Red Lion before sailing. He held a trial of the Earl of Cambridge, and Lords Scrope and Grey for treason; all 3 were found guilty and executed outside the BarGate.
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Who will be from external, PRIVATE, consultancy companies like EDS, CAP GEMINI, CSC, BT, etc. The amount of money wasted on these so-called 'experts', is frightening. Also, PFI is a licence to print unaccountable money which is underwritten by the public purse.