Unbelievable Jeff

The Guardian's not the main point I'm making Pap, because of course the Guardian will use hyperbole and miss out facts that don't back up its story, that is their raison d'etre when it comes to the Tories. However, and this has happened a number of times on this thread already, where you have deliberately avoided questions I suppose you can't necessarily answer, instead of making constant assertions as to the way I voted 5 years ago, and my political angle...

So are they killing themselves because of DWP, or is it just one of many factors..? I suppose if I got in debt with a bank, and had money demanded of me, then killed myself should the bank do something about it? I'm not trying to trivialise what are very sad stories, I just wondered how these can be fully attributed to DWP? I am sure it has an effect, mind, I just don't know whether the Guardian are playing on it a bit (I would guess they are). Edit: Just read the David Clapson story, very sad.

To be fair, it's not her partner is it, it's a footballer in a toilet. Personally I think it's bad form, but from both sides, although you come to expect it from blokes. In general we have a far higher promiscuity factor than women, which is why she is probably seen like this, and the bloke is seen as a moron. To be fair, I'm not sure she'd be seen as so much of a slapper if he was giving oral to her. Just makes her look like a desperate girl trying to be a wag, which ain't a good look.

It's not is it? ****, this place is going to be pretty mental for a while. All we need is Stanley back now...

Dibden Purlieu Saint

£5bn? Holy ****.

Where have their votes gone? I would say a large proportion has gone to UKIP, which would say to me that they're tactical votes, and were tactical voters. Around 40% judging by the relevant increases and decreases.

How would you explain the potential loss of two thirds of the Lib Dems votes? All due to Clegg and the lost policies?

Why are you ignoring the other reasons that I have written above, and saying that half the votes were for tactical reasons. I never said that!? I reckon around 20% vote Lib Dem for tactical reasons, so around 1.5m. I reckon they could lose another million (at least) for their pathetic attempts as the junior party, and another million due to local councils if moved to PR. For instance, my Mum is Labour, but votes Lib Dems in elections as she can't stand the local Labour candidate, and they are the only ones close to the Tories. Current predictions are that Lib Dems will get 7.9% of the vote, compared to 23.6% at the last election. UKIP up to 15.7% from 3.2%.

I have extended what I wrote above...I don't think they would have half their votes if you took away tactical voting, local MP's and especially with the upcoming election, kept Nick Clegg. I also don't believe 7m voted for no war and lower tuition fees.

No, I just wondered. I definitely don't think immigration is an issue, but I am in an area highly populated with rich traveller's, who, as the name says, do-as-they-likey. They cause massive issues around here, but the police aren't interested, and we don't go after them for tax evasion, even though most around here would be paying 45% (should be 50) tax.

To be fair you don't know that about the Lib Dems as you can't take into account tactical voting and that people like them as local MP's as they tend to do a better job locally. If you can't guarantee your local seat then I think they'd lose a lot of votes.

As an aside, does anyone know how much travellers/gypsies cost the economy in lost taxes, social housing, cleanups, police issues etc. I bet that's a pretty penny.

I do not think unilateral decisions are healthy, not at all, and where there is genuine disagreement across parties this should bear out. I just worry that politics in this country is so broken, and the point scoring is so childish and low, that the result would not be best for the electorate.

Fair enough, you obviously have more faith in them than I do...either way, the current system ain't great for voters or for governing parties.

Not exactly, no. However, with such a range of opinions in the above parties I cannot ever see a consensus on laws that mattered. Nothing the governing party would put forward would get through, generally because of the childish nature of British politics, and a "I'm not aligning with that parties policies" attitude. 4 decent sized parties yes, but not 2 large, 6 medium. Can't see it working. As said I think it's the fairest system, but I don't think it would suit us.

Only 5 parties have seats though, and the CDU and CSU are very similar. Currently we have: Tories Labour Lib Dems UKIP Greens SNP Plaid Cymru DUP Sinn Fein SDLP Alliance Respect And this is with tactical voting. With PR and non-tactical voting it'd be an utter mess, with fringe parties garnering more seats. Laws would seldom get made or passed.

Voting should be PR as it's the most democratic way of doing it. However, I think it would also become a bad thing for the country and how it is run, and especially with how laws are made.

He wasn't late, it's just no-one noticed he was there...

Not many in politics who aren't in all honesty. Liability that is, not war criminal (although that could be argued...).

My mistake, apologies.

I think he meant a man going into the men's to jack off.

I would have said making a video of this nature is...

Out of interest, if the video was the other way round (bloke engaging in a bit of cunning linguist) then would it be the bloke that should be embarrassed about it, or would it be the woman?