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Which I suspect is a lot of peoples view, happy to turn a blind eye to a neccesary evil so long as it isn't shoved in their faces.

 

Exactly - as I said its always happened and will continue to do so. It is a 'team' sport at the end of the day but I would ratehr be obvlious to the orders rather than how you pointed it out!

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You clearly haven't seen many races this season, and some of the dubious penalties Ferrari have been on the receiving end of. You are very short sighted if you think Todt is a Ferrari puppet. The outcry from the other teams would be deafening if there was any hint of bias. Shortly after his appointment Todt removed himself from any sporting responsibilities that involved making calls regarding on track action

 

How many teams have condemned this incident at the race? Team orders like this occur all the time and you don't even notice it. You are basically calling for several cars every race to be penalised and for races to be decided in the courtroom and not on the race track.

 

Like I've said I see no problem with this at all. It has gone on for decades, and when it's been made illegal it's carried on exactly the same just under the guise of code. The only reason why people are complaining is because Massa wasn't exactly subtle about it. In that situation normally it would have happened under the guise of Massa outbreaking himself passing a backmarker and Alonso slipping through and the ITV commentators praising Alonso for his opportunism. Unfortunately Ferrari and Massa appeared to miss the moment and ****ed it up.

 

If this incident had involved Hamilton and Button, this thread wouldn't exist. I didn't hear much outcry when Kovalainen gave Hamilton no end of help in the last couple of years

 

That's a myth. For a start Heikki was seldom in a possition ahead of Hamilton in the first place. Secondly I can't remember him ever letting Lewis through for possition. Giving one driver a preferential strategy or asking him to let a team mate through because his strategy is different and will therefore be compromised is one thing. Telling a driver he has to move accross because they want the other driver to win is quite another.

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Germany 2008.

 

I've seen that exacmple banded about, but it really wasn't the same. Hamilton was clearly ahead before a badly timed safety car period ruined his strategy. He was on fresh tyres and had just been dropped from being in the lead to about 6th. It would have been just plain foolish to let him sit there on fresh tyres. It goes back to one driver not compromising another's strategy. It was the same at Canada in 2008 with the BMW's. Heidfeld lead on a different strategy to Kubica. Had he not let Kubica through, RK would have finished about 15th. As it was he was able to stretch out a big enough lead to win the race after his stop.

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I've seen that exacmple banded about, but it really wasn't the same. Hamilton was clearly ahead before a badly timed safety car period ruined his strategy. He was on fresh tyres and had just been dropped from being in the lead to about 6th. It would have been just plain foolish to let him sit there on fresh tyres. It goes back to one driver not compromising another's strategy. It was the same at Canada in 2008 with the BMW's. Heidfeld lead on a different strategy to Kubica. Had he not let Kubica through, RK would have finished about 15th. As it was he was able to stretch out a big enough lead to win the race after his stop.

I agree, but both were still team orders to swap positions.

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I've seen that exacmple banded about, but it really wasn't the same. Hamilton was clearly ahead before a badly timed safety car period ruined his strategy. He was on fresh tyres and had just been dropped from being in the lead to about 6th. It would have been just plain foolish to let him sit there on fresh tyres. It goes back to one driver not compromising another's strategy. It was the same at Canada in 2008 with the BMW's. Heidfeld lead on a different strategy to Kubica. Had he not let Kubica through, RK would have finished about 15th. As it was he was able to stretch out a big enough lead to win the race after his stop.

 

and so we come back to the problem... where do you draw the line?

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