The Reform Thread

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

Whataboutery at its finest.

[Farmer Saint]

8 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok point accepted alternatively I could just refer to the report into anti semitism in the Labour Party. If we take labours failures on this, if the case being made is that we go by the lowest common denominator nobody should vote for Labour or reform or the Green Party

I think people shouldn't vote for the Greens TBH, as this happened under Polanski's watch. Same with Reform, as this has all happened under Farage. That report was about the Labour party under Corbyn, so yes I don't think people should have voted for Corbyn's Labour party if they knew about that. I think most people would support that.

So who you going to vote for now Reform are off the table?

Edited Saturday at 07:10 by Farmer Saint

[badgerx16]

9 hours ago, Sir Ralph said:

Ok point accepted alternatively I could just refer to the report into anti semitism in the Labour Party. If we take labours failures on this, if the case being made is that we go by the lowest common denominator nobody should vote for Labour or reform or the Green Party

The difference is that whilst within the Labour there have been a minority of people exhibiting anti-semitic views, and action is taken against them, one of the driving principles and attractions of Reform is, ( putting it mildly ), antipathy towards immigrants, and there is a large, and growing, body of evidence that many Reform Councillors and candidates, and their fanbase, are outright racists.

Edited Saturday at 07:52 by badgerx16

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

41 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

The difference is that whilst within the Labour there have been a minority of people exhibiting anti-semitic views, and action is taken against them, one of the driving principles and attractions of Reform is, ( putting it mildly ), antipathy towards immigrants, and there is a large, and growing, body of evidence that many Reform Councillors and candidates, and their fanbase, are outright racists.

 

[Sir Ralph]

On 24/10/2026 at 09:32, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

 

I can admit if I understood a news article incorrectly. The irony of you trying to call me out. Have you answers to my seven or so questions yet that you still haven’t answered?

[Sir Ralph]

On 24/10/2026 at 08:50, badgerx16 said:

The difference is that whilst within the Labour there have been a minority of people exhibiting anti-semitic views, and action is taken against them, one of the driving principles and attractions of Reform is, ( putting it mildly ), antipathy towards immigrants, and there is a large, and growing, body of evidence that many Reform Councillors and candidates, and their fanbase, are outright racists.

I think a lot of people are attracted by their stance on illegal immigration (which isn’t racist). There is a faction of people that vote reform that may be racist as there are / have been with Labour and the Greens in relation to Jews. However, I’m not aware of policies / strategy from reform to encourage or promote racism. As I understand it the relevant people in the documentary have been suspended so I’m unclear how Reform are encouraging racism.  What do you think they should do?

It would be interesting if these tv channels went undercover into the Labour and Green Party to see what they find

Edited 15 hours ago by Sir Ralph

[Sir Ralph]

On 24/10/2026 at 00:46, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

Whataboutery at its finest.

Not really. People are saying that reform are horrendously racist and people shouldn’t vote for them. I’m saying that many political parties have or have had such issues and therefore, applying that logic, nobody should vote for any of them. Therefore people shouldn’t determine a party by its lowest common denominator. I appreciate that’s a two step argument so maybe put it into ChatGPT if you are struggling to understand 

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Not really. People are saying that reform are horrendously racist and people shouldn’t vote for them. I’m saying that many political parties have or have had such issues and therefore, applying that logic, nobody should vote for any of them. Therefore people shouldn’t determine a party by its lowest common denominator. I appreciate that’s a two step argument so maybe put it into ChatGPT if you are struggling to understand 

I think you're struggling to show equivalency and it is whataboutery. And dressing it up as that's your motto.

Reform/Restore - many accounts of being c**ts. Other parties fewer accounts = as bad as each other. 

Oh look Nick Clegg had a few bad eggs in the BNP. Let's use the lowest denominator to say they're ok.

 

[badgerx16]

When does xenophobia cross into racism?

 

The inference Farage was msking by exploiting this image of people fleeing civil war is obvious. And he could not avoid the similiatity to this Naxi propaganda film

 

"In October 2025, YouGov found that 47% of Britons considered Reform UK generally racist, while 43% said the same of its voters."

https://theconversation.com/will-reform-uks-racism-scandal-cost-votes-heres-what-previous-polling-tells-us-294707

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyShearer2.0 said:

I think you're struggling to show equivalency and it is whataboutery. And dressing it up as that's your motto.

Reform/Restore - many accounts of being c**ts. Other parties fewer accounts = as bad as each other. 

Oh look Nick Clegg had a few bad eggs in the BNP. Let's use the lowest denominator to say they're ok.

 

I’m not the one alleging that reform is more racist. I said they all have / have had their issues. Why is reform more racist other than your perception? Any statistics to back that up?

Also people are saying that reform voters are racist. When Labour had its anti semitism issues were people that voted for them racist? Can you answer that question?

[Farmer Saint]

28 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m not the one alleging that reform is more racist. I said they all have / have had their issues. Why is reform more racist other than your perception? Any statistics to back that up?

Also people are saying that reform voters are racist. When Labour had its anti semitism issues were people that voted for them racist? Can you answer that question?

Under Corbyn there is an argument for that, sure, that people would vote for them with the idea that they're anti-Semitic. Not sure that would happen now, as they'll be lost to the Greens.

I have a really simple couple of questions.

Do you believe that Reform has a higher proportion of racists both within the party, and voting for them, than Labour did anti-Semites under Corbyn?

Do you believe that Labour still has a large proportion of anti-Semites within the party?

Do you believe that Nigel Farage is racist?

Edited 14 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[JohnnyShearer2.0]

50 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I’m not the one alleging that reform is more racist. I said they all have / have had their issues. Why is reform more racist other than your perception? Any statistics to back that up?

Also people are saying that reform voters are racist. When Labour had its anti semitism issues were people that voted for them racist? Can you answer that question?

Where have I said Reform is racist? 

Read the post and not try to play the poster.