Smirking_Saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I have spent most of the day reading through thread after thread about people argueing with each other about who is right and who is wrong. Who is to blame and who is not to blame, does it really matter ?? The fact is what has happened has happened, and it could affect the future of our football club. We need to all get together behind the club and the beliefs of the club. For the past 3 seasons (and probably longer) we have been devided but now is not the time. This could turn out to be the most desperate day in the clubs history or could end up being a silver lining we all needed and wanted. End of the day none of us know what the hell is going on so lets put aside the differences and unite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As I posted on Colinjb's thread earlier: I would urge anyone who wants to spend time blaming others and/or doing the whole 'I told you so' thing to stop for a moment and think what the point is of that? Yeah, maybe you'll feel better after spouting off, but it won't actually help the club. I know this is an open forum and opinions are important, but i just hope that we won't spend too much time looking at the past, when it's the future (if we are to have one) that is so vital now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 In the 1920's there was the great depression and the Wall Street crash. After this governements swore never to let it happen again by regulating financial institutions. Here we are in 2009 and the same mistake have happened again and we are heading for another global depression. History always repeats itself and therefore it's wise to look back to see the future. Those batting for Lowe have been shown to have poor judgement and this should be remembered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saints_is_the_south Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As I've posted elsewhere... I hate & blame Lowe as much as the next fan does but now is not the time to be turning our backs on the club because of 1 man. This isn't a case of whether Lowe stays or goes, this is a case of whether Southampton Football Club is to remain in existence, the latter of which is far more important to me & should be to any other supporter of SFC than the former. When Bournemouth were in a similar situation (they are still are now but heyho) their fans united to help save their club. If fans of club Bournemouth's size can do it then sure as hell we can. I doubt filling SMS for these last 3 games would save SFC but it would be a start in helping to do so. Fans should imo put aside their hatred of Lowe for just 3 games & get along to SMS. Its now or never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 In the 1920's there was the great depression and the Wall Street crash. After this governements swore never to let it happen again by regulating financial institutions. Here we are in 2009 and the same mistake have happened again and we are heading for another global depression. History always repeats itself and therefore it's wise to look back to see the future. Those batting for Lowe have been shown to have poor judgement and this should be remembered. Learning lessons from events of the past is fine and I would endorse that without hesitation. However, simply looking to pass blame around or trying to get one over a fellow fan is different, serves little constructive purpose, and I think that is more what S_S refers to, and I agree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 In the 1920's there was the great depression and the Wall Street crash. After this governements swore never to let it happen again by regulating financial institutions. Here we are in 2009 and the same mistake have happened again and we are heading for another global depression. History always repeats itself and therefore it's wise to look back to see the future. Those batting for Lowe have been shown to have poor judgement and this should be remembered. I think you've missed the point slightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Learning lessons from events of the past is fine and I would endorse that without hesitation. However, simply looking to pass blame around or trying to get one over a fellow fan is different, serves little constructive purpose, and I think that is more what S_S refers to, and I agree with. For reconcilliation to work those in the wrong need to face up to the fact they made a mistake. Looking at the posts of certain Lowe supporters today leads me to believe they are in denial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I think you've missed the point slightly. Which is nothing new - in Stanley's (blue)World, ironically everything is black and white - either because hes a wind up skate, or too ignorant to grasp the finer points many have made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 For reconcilliation to work those in the wrong need to face up to the fact they made a mistake. Looking at the posts of certain Lowe supporters today leads me to believe they are in denial. I would wait for the outcome of today before you start the told you so stuff Stanley. If you were part of the 'anyonebut Lowe' brigade you have much to think about as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 For reconcilliation to work those in the wrong need to face up to the fact they made a mistake. Looking at the posts of certain Lowe supporters today leads me to believe they are in denial. I agree. All those fans who boycotted because they didn't like who was in charge, and all the fair weather stay-aways, should apologise and admit they are partly to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxstone Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 For reconcilliation to work those in the wrong need to face up to the fact they made a mistake. Looking at the posts of certain Lowe supporters today leads me to believe they are in denial. Not necessarily in denial I would suggest, but like me they blame him and a whole host of others for our downfall.. It's a succession of idiots we have had the misfortune to have been saddled thats led to this unholy mess. Askham, Redknapp, Hone, Crouch and most of all Wilde have more than played their part in taking us to where we are today.. Not just Lowe. Quite what we as a club have done to deserve the stewardship of so many idiots is beyond comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Which is nothing new - in Stanley's (blue)World' date=' ironically everything is black and white - [b']either because hes a wind up skate[/b], or too ignorant to grasp the finer points many have made. I could believe that, especially when he makes comments like this: For reconcilliation to work those in the wrong need to face up to the fact they made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 For reconcilliation to work those in the wrong need to face up to the fact they made a mistake. Looking at the posts of certain Lowe supporters today leads me to believe they are in denial. You really sem more interested in scoreing point5s over fans than in Saints scoring points - why is that I wonder... the mark of a very small man I suggest that you ned cheap shots on an internet site to massage your ego......'kin hilarious If you had a brain that you could occaisionally engage, you would have realised several years ago, that noone 'supports' lowe, but there are those who did not hate him, thse who saw merit in some of his approaches and ideas, and those who in the interests of fair and blanced debate presented the alternative view - what part of that do you struggle with? all of it? Enjoy watching the pompey scores on the tele - because I suspect a plastic pompey fan who does not even go to games..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I would wait for the outcome of today before you start the told you so stuff Stanley. If you were part of the 'anyonebut Lowe' brigade you have much to think about as well. It's a good job that i saw through Wilde very early on then. Considering i was anti Lowe i'd say i was very isolated in my views about Wilde. I supported crouch at the time of the EGM (that never was) and i believe the club would far better off today had Wilde and his execs never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You really sem more interested in scoreing point5s over fans than in Saints scoring points - why is that I wonder... the mark of a very small man I suggest that you ned cheap shots on an internet site to massage your ego......'kin hilarious If you had a brain that you could occaisionally engage, you would have realised several years ago, that noone 'supports' lowe, but there are those who did not hate him, thse who saw merit in some of his approaches and ideas, and those who in the interests of fair and blanced debate presented the alternative view - what part of that do you struggle with? all of it? Enjoy watching the pompey scores on the tele - because I suspect a plastic pompey fan who does not even go to games..... You've got a nerve, i'll give you that. It's people like you that supported Lowe that gave Wilde encouragement to bring Lowe back a second time. Don't you ever lecture me on what's right and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Not necessarily in denial I would suggest, but like me they blame him and a whole host of others for our downfall.. It's a succession of idiots we have had the misfortune to have been saddled thats led to this unholy mess. Askham, Redknapp, Hone, Crouch and most of all Wilde have more than played their part in taking us to where we are today.. Not just Lowe. Quite what we as a club have done to deserve the stewardship of so many idiots is beyond comprehension. top post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You couldn't make it up could you? A thread about looking forward and uniting for the sake of the club, ends up with people sniping at each other about the past. All rather sad IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You've got a nerve, i'll give you that. It's people like you that supported Lowe that gave Wilde encouragement to bring Lowe back a second time. Don't you ever lecture me on what's right and wrong. Hahahaha - you've done it again - are you really that stupid? tyou sound like a bored teenager with a lowe obsession - maybe your reading is not all that it should be because you sem to struggle the moment anyone posts something that is not so full of hate or so blinkered.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Hahahaha - you've done it again - are you really that stupid? tyou sound like a bored teenager with a lowe obsession - maybe your reading is not all that it should be because you sem to struggle the moment anyone posts something that is not so full of hate or so blinkered.... And you are in denial Frank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I think Mintys, Frank's cousin and Smirking_Saint have a damned cheek lecturing for people to put everything aside, considering the months and months of relentless abuse some of us have been subjected to for predicting this whilst they all turned a blind eye or smirked inwardly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You couldn't make it up could you? A thread about looking forward and uniting for the sake of the club, ends up with people sniping at each other about the past. All rather sad IMO. I am sorry MInty, but I have had enough of this ignoarnt clown, who on this day of all days seemed more interested in scoring points other fans than in the club itself...which sums up his attitude all along - differing opinions is one thing, and can be respected, these antics are quite another so - yeah, I have been rattled by him, but he is probably the only one laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solentstars Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Hahahaha - you've done it again - are you really that stupid? tyou sound like a bored teenager with a lowe obsession - maybe your reading is not all that it should be because you sem to struggle the moment anyone posts something that is not so full of hate or so blinkered....i think you got the measure of him. he always seems happy when hes shafting our great football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I think Mintys, Frank's cousin and Smirking_Saint have a damned cheek lecturing for people to put everything aside, considering the months and months of relentless abuse some of us have been subjected to for predicting this whilst they all turned a blind eye or smirked inwardly... Only you could spout such pathetic tripe.... Oh and where do I suggest we 'put it all aside?' classic Alpine 'makes it up' utter rubbish... Jeez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I think Mintys, Frank's cousin and Smirking_Saint have a damned cheek lecturing for people to put everything aside, considering the months and months of relentless abuse some of us have been subjected to for predicting this whilst they all turned a blind eye or smirked inwardly... Spot on and these same "experts" have the brass necked cheek to be having a pop on this thread. You couldn't make it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I have spent most of the day reading through thread after thread about people argueing with each other about who is right and who is wrong. Who is to blame and who is not to blame, does it really matter ?? The fact is what has happened has happened, and it could affect the future of our football club. We need to all get together behind the club and the beliefs of the club. For the past 3 seasons (and probably longer) we have been devided but now is not the time. This could turn out to be the most desperate day in the clubs history or could end up being a silver lining we all needed and wanted. End of the day none of us know what the hell is going on so lets put aside the differences and unite. Chickens coming home to roost I'm afraid. Thanks go to Rupert and Wilde. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You really sem more interested in scoreing point5s over fans than in Saints scoring points - why is that I wonder... the mark of a very small man I suggest that you ned cheap shots on an internet site to massage your ego......'kin hilarious If you had a brain that you could occaisionally engage, you would have realised several years ago, that noone 'supports' lowe, but there are those who did not hate him, thse who saw merit in some of his approaches and ideas, and those who in the interests of fair and blanced debate presented the alternative view - what part of that do you struggle with? all of it? Enjoy watching the pompey scores on the tele - because I suspect a plastic pompey fan who does not even go to games..... You are a smug git. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I think Mintys, Frank's cousin and Smirking_Saint have a damned cheek lecturing for people to put everything aside, considering the months and months of relentless abuse some of us have been subjected to for predicting this whilst they all turned a blind eye or smirked inwardly... Alps, I'm not lecturing anyone. It's simply my opinion on what would be best for the club (and hence us fans) going forward. Nothing more, nothing less, so please don't try and make it something it's not. I don't want to see anyone 'abused' for their opinion... in fact, that's one of the main reasons I don't post much anymore, because of the lack of respect amongst so many posters. But to be quite honest, none of that matters now. The only thing that does is the continued existence of Southampton Football Club. So please, if dredging up the past is going to help that goal, let me know how and I'll gladly join in. But I don't think it will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You are a smug git. Nothing to be smug about on days like today - and the irony is obviously lost on you when you look at Stanley's and Alpines posts - almost creaming themselves in an effort to try and shout 'I told you so' the loudest - having failed to understand what most folk had been posting about since this site went live.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I am sorry MInty' date=' but I have had enough of this ignoarnt clown, who on this day of all days seemed more interested in scoring points other fans than in the club itself...which sums up his attitude all along - differing opinions is one thing, and can be respected, these antics are quite another so - yeah, I have been rattled by him, but he is probably the only one laughing.[/quote'] I'm not laughing Frank - you can rest assured of that. But i am disapointed that YOU and posters like YOU can sit behind your keyboards and pretend nothing has happened. YOU GOT IT WRONG FRANK. HAVE THE BALLS TO ADMIT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Spot on and these same "experts" have the brass necked cheek to be having a pop on this thread. You couldn't make it up. As I've just said to Alps, all I care about is the club. I'm not interested in having a pop, and quite honestly, I'm annoyed at myself for getting sucked in and replying as I did earlier. All i wanted to do was support the notion that looking backwards will not help the club and it's survival. I'm no expert, I'm just a fan who gives a sh!t, who can't for the life of him see how fellow fans bickering and whining about who was right and who was wrong can help the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Nothing to be smug about on days like today - and the irony is obviously lost on you when you look at Stanley's and Alpines posts - almost creaming themselves in an effort to try and shout 'I told you so' the loudest - having failed to understand what most folk had been posting about since this site went live.... You are smug, you are most days, and today in particular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I'm not laughing Frank - you can rest assured of that. But i am disapointed that YOU and posters like YOU can sit behind your keyboards and pretend nothing has happened. YOU GOT IT WRONG FRANK. HAVE THE BALLS TO ADMIT IT. Currently the only thing I can say I got wrong was believeing the dutch duo might work at the start of the season. secondly, I STILL believe that of the three protagonists Lowe would be the prepared to make the unpopular decisions necessary to to TRY and keep the wolve at bayc compared to crouch who seemed to stick everything on red in a gamble that has ultimately failed. As to 'getting it wrong', I was not in pocession of the accopunts to determine the true nature of teh crap we were in when LOwe returned so cant comment on whether his actions have made things better or wose, it looks on the surface that the OD was reduced for a period which was necessary, but has increased again as the expensive loanees retuned and nobody wnated them, and gates reduced - I view I have had consistently - so for the love of god, how on earth you and your crony Alpine interpret that as 'supporting' Lowe, who I dont give a flying feck abnout on a personal level suggest your ignorance - Have to congratulate Alpine though for that golden comody moment getting his violin out about 'months of rlentless abuse he has suffered' =- you could not script such beautiful irony.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You are smug, you are most days, and today in particular. Indeed. What he is smug about I have no idea. In addition, he is accusing others of being smug. What a truly cookoo world Frank's cousin resides in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You are smug, you are most days, and today in particular. No I am saddened and now angry at teh knobs on here who think its a great opportunity to score points.... how that can be interpreted as smug is beyond me..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As I understand it the directors are dismissed once the administration is underway and so we cannot complain about Lowe any more. We need to get behind the team on Saturday - surely Lowe and Co will not turn up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I'm not laughing Frank - you can rest assured of that. But i am disapointed that YOU and posters like YOU can sit behind your keyboards and pretend nothing has happened. YOU GOT IT WRONG FRANK. HAVE THE BALLS TO ADMIT IT.but that is not the case.Posts from all sides were saying that this season was all about surviving.We are still alive in both the league and financially. Ok the breathing is erratic. Everyone who had been dealt the cards would have trouble winning unless they could find somebody to invest. We had our investors when Wildes bunch were here, we had them when LC was here and perhaps we had them under Lowe but they all were talk and no action.we are in limbo at present and perhaps an investor will come forwqard, all we can do is hold our breath and hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Currently the only thing I can say I got wrong was believeing the dutch duo might work at the start of the season. secondly' date=' I STILL believe that of the three protagonists Lowe would be the prepared to make the unpopular decisions necessary to to TRY and keep the wolve at bayc compared to crouch who seemed to stick everything on red in a gamble that has ultimately failed. As to 'getting it wrong', I was not in pocession of the accopunts to determine the true nature of teh crap we were in when LOwe returned so cant comment on whether his actions have made things better or wose, it looks on the surface that the OD was reduced for a period which was necessary, but has increased again as the expensive loanees retuned and nobody wnated them, and gates reduced - I view I have had consistently - so for the love of god, how on earth you and your crony Alpine interpret that as 'supporting' Lowe, who I dont give a flying feck abnout on a personal level suggest your ignorance - Have to congratulate Alpine though for that golden comody moment getting his violin out about 'months of rlentless abuse he has suffered' =- you could not script such beautiful irony....[/quote'] You haven't got a clue Frank. Crouch was at the club for 5 months and in that time he set about reducing the wage bill. Stop telling lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 No I am saddened and now angry at teh knobs on here who think its a great opportunity to score points.... how that can be interpreted as smug is beyond me..... you are being hounded,just draw breath and carry on. It is a form of bullying some can stand up to it others can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 As I understand it the directors are dismissed once the administration is underway and so we cannot complain about Lowe any more. We need to get behind the team on Saturday - surely Lowe and Co will not turn up Knowing Lowe he'll perform a lap of honour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 You haven't got a clue Frank. Crouch was at the club for 5 months and in that time he set about reducing the wage bill. Stop telling lies.Can you tell me qute how he did that Stanley, dont forget to take into account RW Pl wages and all the other loans he sanctioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 but that is not the case.Posts from all sides were saying that this season was all about surviving.We are still alive in both the league and financially. Ok the breathing is erratic. Everyone who had been dealt the cards would have trouble winning unless they could find somebody to invest. We had our investors when Wildes bunch were here, we had them when LC was here and perhaps we had them under Lowe but they all were talk and no action.we are in limbo at present and perhaps an investor will come forwqard, all we can do is hold our breath and hope. What about SISU? They were more than talk but Lowe and Wilde turned them down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Knowing Lowe he'll perform a lap of honour. Lol, perhaps all the fans who bought Wilde tee hirts can wear them as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Not a time for division Nice try Smirking Saint It was a noble effort none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What about SISU? They were more than talk but Lowe and Wilde turned them down! No stanley LC also did so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Can you tell me qute how he did that Stanley, dont forget to take into account RW Pl wages and all the other loans he sanctioned. Leon agreed to the loaning out of highest earners and Leon sounded us out on the closing of the corners. Post relegation the damage was done by the Execs who were Michael Wildes hand picked people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Lol, perhaps all the fans who bought Wilde tee hirts can wear them as well. I'm reliably told Manji will be wearing his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 What about SISU? They were more than talk but Lowe and Wilde turned them down! The SISU bid was about a change in ownership at about 30p a share - no cash injection as Coventry have found. There was no value in it, and teh shareholders made their decision, not sure why all of a suden its seen as the best thing since sliced bread when at the time only a tiny minority of fans seemed interested in it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Leon agreed to the loaning out of highest earners and Leon sounded us out on the closing of the corners. Post relegation the damage was done by the Execs who were Michael Wildes hand picked people.He agreed to do so as well as Lowe did.Sadly there were few takers, LC added some highly paid loans.It helped us stay up and so I dont criticise that too much but it is not quite right to let LC off the hook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 Leon agreed to the loaning out of highest earners and Leon sounded us out on the closing of the corners. Post relegation the damage was done by the Execs who were Michael Wildes hand picked people. And there were plenty of us on here (S4E) who were worried aboyut Wilde when he first turned up... but funnily enough I dont think we rubbed that one in... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 1 April, 2009 Share Posted 1 April, 2009 I'm reliably told Manji will be wearing his. OHhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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