ooohTerryHurlock Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 ... If we need £600k to stay afloat we simply just don't start selling season tickets for next season.... Evenif STs were set at £350 and we pre sold 7500 we would bring in £2,625,000... This would obviousily keep the wolf from the door. What is the reasoning behind not selling - Surely this is how clubs operate? I mean last season renewals were in March? and the money is in the bank so why not this year.... because the argument that they were holding off to see what division we were in in order to decide what price to set pales in to insignificance compared to the club going under? I just don't get it? can anyone explain?... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Trousers was asking the same yesterday. I floated the question in reply, that are we currently allowed to sell season tickets for next season when it isnt sure that we cna fulfill the fixtures? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 17 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Trousers was asking the same yesterday. I floated the question in reply, that are we currently allowed to sell season tickets for next season when it isnt sure that we cna fulfill the fixtures? But what I am saying is if we had sold in March as first planned the club would have had the funds to fulfill fixtures and also possibly avoid admin? I hate rehashing my conversation with DL but he said the club knew how bad things were in January and the article in the echo by him somewhat did n't give the fans the whole picture of how bad things are. But we only started running deals and the like after MW had written how well meetings had gone with the financial backers... and surely if it is Barclays that have pushed us to the wall over £100k why did n't they see what sells would have been like? Also if they had their finger on the pulse and the business manager had any nounce they would have suggested that RL took at very least a back seat due to his damaging media image?... DL said that they hold off deals due to the anger and unrest with STH over deals, but surely if they had written to STH in January and pointed out the extreme hardship and communicated better with the 'customers' some of the unrest from STH could have been quelled.....(I'm not having a pop David, as I know this will feed back to you but I do still feel that I am struggling to understand some of the decisions that were made) anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Perhaps (and I have no inside knowledge) it is tied into the fact that once the season ticket sales money runs out -ie it is used to tide us over till Autumn then we cannot be certain that we will have cut our costs enough to survive on gates of 15k or less and therefore we will be out of business. probably wouldn't be ethical (or even legal) to sell tickets now in that scenario Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 They cannot sell season tickets as there is at present no club after the end of this season therefore it is illegal to sell goods to people knowing there is no product. Once we have some kind of information the club will exist next season they can then sell tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Tone Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 I posted the message below on the 'ticket office idea' thread a while back. It is illegal to trade when insolvent, and therefore also very risky when about to be insolvent in case you might be shown later to have known you were going bust, which will be why they didn't sell tickets in March and can't sell them now. But I can't see why a pledge system couldn't work and surely it would help? K. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have just sent this to David Luker: David Sorry -- another supporter interrupting your work! This may well be better forwarded to the administrator; I'm sending it to you as I do not have his contact details, and it is related to ticket sales. Please pass on if you think it appropriate. I realise that the club could not and cannot legally sell season tickets for next season its current parlous state. However it would send a very positive signal to potential investors if they knew that thousands of fans would definitely buy a ST if they could. So might there be some facility for fans to pledge to buy season tickets for next season, as soon as the club's future is secure, regardless of which division we are in ? The club could either publicise 2 prices, one for each division, or just set a figure regardless. Fans could then 'pay' in advance with the money not actually being taken from accounts/cards until the club was formally solvent again. This would, as I say, encourage investors, but also from the administrator's point of view, show that keeping the club alive is the best way to ensure that creditors have the best chance of getting their money. K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 I posted the message below on the 'ticket office idea' thread a while back. It is illegal to trade when insolvent, and therefore also very risky when about to be insolvent in case you might be shown later to have known you were going bust, which will be why they didn't sell tickets in March and can't sell them now. But I can't see why a pledge system couldn't work and surely it would help? K. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Have just sent this to David Luker: David Sorry -- another supporter interrupting your work! This may well be better forwarded to the administrator; I'm sending it to you as I do not have his contact details, and it is related to ticket sales. Please pass on if you think it appropriate. I realise that the club could not and cannot legally sell season tickets for next season its current parlous state. However it would send a very positive signal to potential investors if they knew that thousands of fans would definitely buy a ST if they could. So might there be some facility for fans to pledge to buy season tickets for next season, as soon as the club's future is secure, regardless of which division we are in ? The club could either publicise 2 prices, one for each division, or just set a figure regardless. Fans could then 'pay' in advance with the money not actually being taken from accounts/cards until the club was formally solvent again. This would, as I say, encourage investors, but also from the administrator's point of view, show that keeping the club alive is the best way to ensure that creditors have the best chance of getting their money. K. Now thats a perfectly good idea and is actually a viable one as well. Hope they take up the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybeal Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Doesnt Norwich Union have first call on season ticket sales money to cover the Stadium repayments??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyLove Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Doesnt Norwich Union have first call on season ticket sales money to cover the Stadium repayments??? They have a % of yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aintforever Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 What Ken is proposing is an excellent idea. I don't get why the club are not allowed to sell season tickets in case they go bust but they are allowed to receive donations. I think most fans would happily pay for their STs despite of the risk if it meant there was a chance of the club being around. I would happily stump up £500 for next years ticket despite the risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Doesnt Norwich Union have first call on season ticket sales money to cover the Stadium repayments??? Not sure of the exact workings, but the loan note repayments (circa £2m per annum paid one off in August I think) are "repaid in a securitisation agreement serviced by future season ticket and matchday sales from the stadium". And looking at the accounts, it appears that at each year end we have always had (except for last year) a figure close to this on Treasury Deposit and I assumed that was us tucking the money from season tickets away as Norwich Union had first call on this money (could well be wrong). I also thought (but never had it confirmed) that we had managed to come to some arrangement with Norwich Union over some sort of holiday/reduction on some of the "loan". And going back to the initial post, there are many clubs who sold season tickets before going into administration, during administration and coming out of administration, and of course technically we're not in administration!!!!! So I too would like to hear if anyone has a decent rationale for holding back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 17 April, 2009 Share Posted 17 April, 2009 ... If we need £600k to stay afloat we simply just don't start selling season tickets for next season.... Evenif STs were set at £350 and we pre sold 7500 we would bring in £2,625,000... This would obviousily keep the wolf from the door. What is the reasoning behind not selling - Surely this is how clubs operate? I mean last season renewals were in March? and the money is in the bank so why not this year.... because the argument that they were holding off to see what division we were in in order to decide what price to set pales in to insignificance compared to the club going under? I just don't get it? can anyone explain?... Because Barclays wanted Lowe out. Quite simple really. First opportunity to remove him they took it! Easiest question I have answered on here that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 17 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 17 April, 2009 Because Barclays wanted Lowe out. Quite simple really. First opportunity to remove him they took it! Easiest question I have answered on here that one. Surely there was an easier way than to cause this mess? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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