lordswoodsaints Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 as we are 9 tenths relegated under wotte,do you think it would have happened quicker under JP? imo we would have been too far adrift a long time ago,the initial injection of hope that wotte stirred up on his 'promotion' which resulted in a decent run of wins obviously wouldnt have happened, so the wins probably wouldnt have come leaving us well behind and well relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 we were struggling to get a point at the end of JP - would have been with Charlton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Would have been a lot sooner had Poortvliet still been here IMO. We were struggling for a point, yet alone three under Jan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 (edited) as we are 9 tenths relegated under wotte,do you think it would have happened quicker under JP? imo we would have been too far adrift a long time ago,the initial injection of hope that wotte stirred up on his 'promotion' which resulted in a decent run of wins obviously wouldnt have happened, so the wins probably wouldnt have come leaving us well behind and well relegated. Does it matter? The team is pretty poor even Wenger Ferguson Mourino and Beneitez would probably have difficulty in getting us to win regularly Mind you we had lots of similar performances last year too with both Burley and Pearson in charge but Stern John scored lots of goals Edited 18 April, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordswoodsaints Posted 18 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 18 April, 2009 Does it matter? The team is pretty poor even Wenger Ferguson Mourino and Beneitez would probably have difficulty in getting us to win regularly Mind you we had lots of similar performances last year too with both Burley and Pearson in charge no it doesnt matter,but it takes my mind off the inept,gutless ******* players that we have acquired and you are right......you cant polish a turd,even the best turd polishers in the world. we have been sh1t since it was leaked that strachan was leaving,burley was average and pearson ,although he has done well for leicester was below average for us and imo was lucky to keep us up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L1Minus10 Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 If you believe the stats of points won per game - we'd be relegated already and fighting Charlton for last place if JP was still here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 as we are 9 tenths relegated under wotte,do you think it would have happened quicker under JP? imo we would have been too far adrift a long time ago,the initial injection of hope that wotte stirred up on his 'promotion' which resulted in a decent run of wins obviously wouldnt have happened, so the wins probably wouldnt have come leaving us well behind and well relegated. We would have relegated sooner IF JP had been forced to continue with the youth policy dictated to him by Lowe and Wotte. But maybe not if he'd have been allowed to play men from day one... men we paid the salaraies for anyway but forced him to ignore in preference to kids. IMHO... that is a FACT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 18 April, 2009 Share Posted 18 April, 2009 If you believe the stats of points won per game - we'd be relegated already and fighting Charlton for last place if JP was still here. We may still relegate in last place - with a 10 point deduction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Wan't the "youth policy" also dictated by the financial situation??? I don't think JP would have got three wins back to back so at least Wotte has given us a fighting chance. Trouble is you wouldn't want to be alongside many of these players in the trenches. We can all be clever with hindsight but you do wonder how we would have fared if Wotte had been no 1 and JP no 2 at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Depends wether JP was allowed to use Skacel, Euell, Size, Saga etc really. Wotte is crap and so was JP, the only difference was we occasionaly played some good football under JP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) was lucky to keep us up. And since then we've reduced our playing staff by a fair few players. I mean last season we escaped relegation by a point or so and then we cut back on players,some of who were useful from time to time, like Vignal and Jermaine Wright,with John at least scoring a few goals.Doubt if Pearson would have made any difference really, only the 16 players on the match sheet really influence the result. I mean look at Arsenal yesterday, there were 4 dump players who dragged the collective down to their level. The keeper, AbuDhabi (or whatever his name is),Silvestre and Denillson. If those 4 players had be replaced by their usual counterparts the result would have been completely different. At the end of the day a club is only as good as it's players,there are astute managers around but with crap players they won't work miracles. I believe if we'd got shot of Skacel we might have been able to keep Stern John, might have made all the difference. Edited 19 April, 2009 by Window Cleaner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 we might have been able to keep Stern John, might have made all the difference. Poortvliet didn't think John could play in the style he wanted to play. "Bristol City play 4-4-2, so the way they play will better suit Stern's style". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Poortvliet didn't think John could play in the style he wanted to play. "Bristol City play 4-4-2, so the way they play will better suit Stern's style". still if he'd still been here when JP was gone Wotte would have drawn the benefit wouldn't he.We had a 3 match run when everything looked rosier, then something went wrong again suddenly, because we missed acouple of sitters through Surman and Euell, John might have put one away and things would have been different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 still if he'd still been here when JP was gone Wotte would have drawn the benefit wouldn't he.We had a 3 match run when everything looked rosier, then something went wrong again suddenly, because we missed acouple of sitters through Surman and Euell, John might have put one away and things would have been different. But your inference was that if we had sold Skacel then we might have kept John, whereas I would suggest Poortvliet didn't think John fitted in with his style of play, so had we managed to offload Skacel he would still have offloaded John anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Wan't the "youth policy" also dictated by the financial situation??? I don't think JP would have got three wins back to back so at least Wotte has given us a fighting chance. Trouble is you wouldn't want to be alongside many of these players in the trenches. We can all be clever with hindsight but you do wonder how we would have fared if Wotte had been no 1 and JP no 2 at the start of the season. Wotte didnt have a youth policy - that was changed when he took over as it was a farce. Youth Policy was a sham because we were still paying the wages for decent experienced (in some cases Internationals) who were made to stay at the training ground and never even made the bench under JP's restrictions. Sorry SOG but financial situation does not explain this daft youth policy I'm afraid... not when we paid the experience and best players wages anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Depends wether JP was allowed to use Skacel, Euell, Size, Saga etc really. Wotte is crap and so was JP, the only difference was we occasionaly played some good football under JP. Sums it up nicely and succinctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 And the "Youth Policy" did not require us to bump Pearson and bring in that top rated manager, Poortfckingvliet!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Depends wether JP was allowed to use Skacel, Euell, Size, Saga etc really. Wotte is crap and so was JP, the only difference was we occasionaly played some good football under JP. Here in is the answer to the whole season.:smt086...BUT onwards and upwards..WE will only get better again:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 But your inference was that if we had sold Skacel then we might have kept John, whereas I would suggest Poortvliet didn't think John fitted in with his style of play, so had we managed to offload Skacel he would still have offloaded John anyway. Then we should sell Dyer or Surman in January transfer window. I am sure in yesterday game, if that was Stern John instead of Euell who picked up Skacel low cross unmarked in the box, he would have scored because it is not hard as a decent striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Here in is the answer to the whole season.:smt086...BUT onwards and upwards..WE will only get better again:) You sound very sure OSM, have you checked. We have kept going these last 10 years or so by selling players for big sums and buying lesser players to fill in. As we now have no-one left who will command a big sum we'll be reliant on the "academy" and for the crap it's turned out lately I wish I could be as sure as you. You must ask yourselves: Where would we be without the 50 or so million that we've received in transfer fees? I mean we would still have the players but could we have afforded to pay them. Walcott 10 million + Jones 5 million Bale 7 million Beattie 6 million Baird 3 million Bridge 7 million Deano 8 million Crouch 5 million profit. plus all the other odd and ends,and yet our record transfers are Delap 4 million and JokeDelgado 3 million. I put it to you that SFC cannot survive without major players sales and that that has been the situation these last 10 years. Why? because we don't generate enough revenue for our costs, but why I have absolutely no idea. Probably paying off managers all the time doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 You sound very sure OSM, have you checked. We have kept going these last 10 years or so by selling players for big sums and buying lesser players to fill in. As we now have no-one left who will command a big sum we'll be reliant on the "academy" and for the crap it's turned out lately I wish I could be as sure as you. You must ask yourselves: Where would we be without the 50 or so million that we've received in transfer fees? I mean we would still have the players but could we have afforded to pay them. Walcott 10 million + Jones 5 million Bale 7 million Beattie 6 million Baird 3 million Bridge 7 million Deano 8 million Crouch 5 million profit. plus all the other odd and ends,and yet our record transfers are Delap 4 million and JokeDelgado 3 million. I put it to you that SFC cannot survive without major players sales and that that has been the situation these last 10 years. Why? because we don't generate enough revenue for our costs, but why I have absolutely no idea. Probably paying off managers all the time doesn't help. I think you miss the point....What Andy Porter stated and what I thought about our whole season.....Highlighting the fact that Wotte and JP are CRAAAAP.....So in my view no excuses for Wotte he had his chance even though together with Lowe had masterminded the whole fiasco. But as I said Onwards and Upwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 But as I said Onwards and Upwards. Hopefully League one will be our lowest point, I really hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Hopefully League one will be our lowest point, I really hope so. But where we're going to get the money to build a team good enough to get back into the CCC from is what counts. Upwards is not an option without money and we don't have any nor any means of obtaining any.Bloke at Peterborough ploughed in 8 million didn't he ? We don't have that sort of money nor the means to get it. That's what I was saying, upwards isn't an option until we find sufficient revenues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Hopefully League one will be our lowest point, I really hope so. Positive we will be back....We can do this with reasonable Leadership and the right choices re Football side....The sad thing was regardless of the money problems..There are a lot of very good players around who would have given us a good chance for the same wages approx...It was all about choices in Coach x2 and their total lack of knowledge of the CCC and the leagues around us for players and styles..... ANYWAY.. WE WILL DO IT....AND NEXT SEASON.....as WE KNOW...WE ARE THE CLUB.....Not a few idiots who support one man. LOOK FORWARD....Saints are coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Sorry I was in my mode of chorus dancing Ra Ra girl shaking all my Pom Poms at the same time.....I am a wuuuus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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