ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 ... Will we ever know the true cost paid for the assets or will that be un- disclosed as well?? Are the administrators obliged to tell us the figures or can it be conducted in secret? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darren Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SET Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 when the first set of accounts are filed you will be able to see the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 The smaller creditors will be at the bottom of the queue when any money raised is handed around. I would expect some of them to be upset, especially if they are small companies struggling in a recession So if Fry doesn't make the final statement, I would expect some of the smaller guys to start making some complaints and leaks, and TBH who can blame them. Their survival has been damaged by the decisions that led us to this point as much as our emotions have. Let's all WOOT for getting out of the sh*t, but let us remember those poor guys who will in all likelihood only see 10% or so of what they were owed. They will be going through a great deal of pain while we have a chance at survival. I'm sure the new team which will consist of wise people will understand that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Farmer Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 who cares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 ... Will we ever know the true cost paid for the assets or will that be un- disclosed as well?? Are the administrators obliged to tell us the figures or can it be conducted in secret? I dont really care - but would like to know how much we've got to spend on players. We have some serious men and a manager to buy if we want to get out of this league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 ... Will we ever know the true cost paid for the assets or will that be un- disclosed as well?? Are the administrators obliged to tell us the figures or can it be conducted in secret? We will be a private company again rather than a PLC, so there will be a lot less transparancy in all financial matters. Does anyone know the extent of money owed to local businesses? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Made in southampton wrote "Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS. " Well said that man. Let's not turn on our board ever again. It's not the kind of thing that leads to positive change no matter how much people don't like individuals. Let pinnacle get on with running the club if they conclude this deal & the fans concentrate on the field matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
end of an era2 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 I dont really care - but would like to know how much we've got to spend on players. We have some serious men and a manager to buy if we want to get out of this league. I predict that there will not be a lot of cash splashing on transfer fees. Players will be sold and replaced by free or low cost transfers.Took them a long time to decide to punt a 'non-returnable deposit' free spending will probably not be an item.Good management is what we will need.Our income next season will be **** poor,even if we get home gates of 24K at 20 quid a throw it will hardly cover our costs, broadcasting income will be negligable. I'm hoping we will sign players (for free) who can do the job in hand that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrollman no2 Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Made in southampton wrote "Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS. " Well said that man. Let's not turn on our board ever again. It's not the kind of thing that leads to positive change no matter how much people don't like individuals. Let pinnacle get on with running the club if they conclude this deal & the fans concentrate on the field matters. Lets not turn on our board again? Never again should we let someone like Lowe have so much power,that he can do what he likes. As long as they do whats best for Southampton fc,then they will get my full support. The day things start happening like we sell our best players for millions,yet no money goes back into the team,then expect questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baird of the land Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Lowe was bad & an arrogant idiot but let's not forget the fans swept the revolutionary wilde who was responsible for a huge part of this financial mess. That's all i meant. Idiots are more likely to be bought out if fans stick to team matters. Fans shouting 'board out etc' is more likely to scare off people who might take over a club because they'll realise if things go south those same fans will be doing the same thing to them. A lot of villa fans didn't like ellis but in the end ellis completed the deal to sell to lerner and it wasn't because fans were proesting on the terraces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS.[/QUOTE] I have never not been behind the team. However I don't think burying my head up my arse and not giing a hoot about the goings on at the club is the right tack either. A lot of the problems that we have found ourselves in have been caused by the fact that WE HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY KEPT IN THE DARK. WE CANNOT AFFORD FOR THIS DEAL TO GO WRONG SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL! .... a little tip for you my friend ... watch out for the fag butts as you stick your head in the sand! Buffoon!COYR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 ... Will we ever know the true cost paid for the assets or will that be un- disclosed as well?? Are the administrators obliged to tell us the figures or can it be conducted in secret? From my limited knowledge all creditors will get a report on amounts realised along with fees etc...so although average Joe doesn't HAVE to know creditors will. Just hope all those that provided services and suffered a hit are able to recover some of their losses by future trading with the new owners Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Made in southampton wrote "Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS. " Well said that man. Let's not turn on our board ever again. It's not the kind of thing that leads to positive change no matter how much people don't like individuals. Let pinnacle get on with running the club if they conclude this deal & the fans concentrate on the field matters. And these two matters are not connected??? I think we have been down the road of being treated as customers or as mushrooms (kept in the dark and fed ****) I don't think , and hope that, this will be the case with the potential new owners but we need to proceed with wildes one good idea of a fans parliament that provides a link between us and them and then enables us to fully unite. The new owners need to get all the stay aways and don't give a ****s back onside (that will be all those that did n't get behind the team by the way!!)(not those of us who have kept our sts, and stuck our hand in our pocket to fill buckets (and no C.B. I don't think that makes me care more than others but it proves that I stayed behind the team!)). And they need to do it PDQ. i just feel that open ownership will be better than a secretive one. If you buy a house the fee paid is recorded on the title register so people know what the price paid was... why should it be anydifferent here?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS.[/QUOTE] I have never not been behind the team. However I don't think burying my head up my arse and not giing a hoot about the goings on at the club is the right tack either. A lot of the problems that we have found ourselves in have been caused by the fact that WE HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY KEPT IN THE DARK. WE CANNOT AFFORD FOR THIS DEAL TO GO WRONG SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL! .... a little tip for you my friend ... watch out for the fag butts as you stick your head in the sand! Buffoon!COYR! Why the "Buffoon" ? You got all the answers sweetheart? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 Why the "Buffoon" ? You got all the answers sweetheart? Because why would my asking what the club gets sold for be an attack on the new owners and bring into question my support for the team? Hence the comment! Is the second part of the post A rhetorical question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 If we are treated as fans and human beings I see no problem. With Legod as a figurehead, hopefully we will get our beloved club back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 If we are treated as fans and human beings I see no problem. With Legod as a figurehead, hopefully we will get our beloved club back. Exactly... could n't have put it better myself!... and didn't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 who gives a f**k mate, as long as we are still a football team at the end of that day thats all I care about.... WAKEY WAKEY your thinking too much with your small head! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 29 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 29 May, 2009 who gives a f**k mate, as long as we are still a football team at the end of that day thats all I care about.... WAKEY WAKEY your thinking too much with your small head! lol And people from Thornhill just don't think!!!;)LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 And people from Thornhill just don't think!!!;)LOL! At least I think with my bigger head, which is on my shoulders not in between my legs! oooh Terry Hurlock (I Bet you didnt even see him play) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thornhill_saints Posted 29 May, 2009 Share Posted 29 May, 2009 RIP ANDY SIMMONS some one start a thread for him, saints supporter for 30 years died a week today, he leaves behind 6 kids & twins of 16 months! a mate though & though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 At least I think with my bigger head, which is on my shoulders not in between my legs! oooh Terry Hurlock (I Bet you didnt even see him play) You just lot your bet matey! Favourite came was when he ran about fifty yards to lamp someone from the sheff utd side? and got completely away with it! what was your wager sir?? Still question your ability to think full stop as you probably went to some dump of a skool like woodlands or sumit that dont teach you to write proper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Warrior Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 I suppose I am classed as a small creditor being a shareholder, Im not bothered about my shares. I bought two lots not for gain but so I owned and belong to part of the club. As far as I am concerned the shares have gone and I have some more saints memorabilia in the form of share certificates. Mr Fry dosent have to pay me anything, any money due to me must go directly to the buiding of the club/team and not the administrator or the other creditors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Made in Southampton Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Not sure I really care. But I understand people will want to know. I just think its about time we started to support our football team. For too long now we've concentrated on what people have been doing behind the scenes. Get behind the team FFS.[/QUOTE] I have never not been behind the team. However I don't think burying my head up my arse and not giing a hoot about the goings on at the club is the right tack either. A lot of the problems that we have found ourselves in have been caused by the fact that WE HAVE BEEN DELIBERATELY KEPT IN THE DARK. WE CANNOT AFFORD FOR THIS DEAL TO GO WRONG SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL! .... a little tip for you my friend ... watch out for the fag butts as you stick your head in the sand! Buffoon!COYR! Think you need to get back to school yourself buddy. Word to the wise. If you start a thread about something you can expect a lot of different opinions, If you don't think you’re going to like the answers don’t start one, and definitely don't resort to petty insult because you just come across as a child. Finally if you look back at my original post you'll see it wasn’t a direct reply to your quote. It is my opinion so unless you can come back with a reasoned response without resorting to insults, because let’s face it you probably don't have the intellect to, don’t bother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Think you need to get back to school yourself buddy. Word to the wise. If you start a thread about something you can expect a lot of different opinions, If you don't think you’re going to like the answers don’t start one, and definitely don't resort to petty insult because you just come across as a child. Finally if you look back at my original post you'll see it wasn’t a direct reply to your quote. It is my opinion so unless you can come back with a reasoned response without resorting to insults, because let’s face it you probably don't have the intellect to, don’t bother. Apologies if I cause you offence. I think the FFS on the end of the post was the bit that obviousily led to the response it got. I think typing get behind the team would have been enough - the FFS made the point personal and direct to me. With regard to intellect I am happy where I am at. I think asking a simple question as to whether one is to be able to find out the actual settlement figure then entitles people to question ones commitment to supporting the saints? As with being a child - perhaps before you chuck in the petulent FFS at the end of your post it would meet with a less childish response!.. but as I said I do sincerely apologies and as this is hopefully a new begining for everyone with try to be less abrasive. PS As with regard to the point about intellect. I ;)think the Bsc (hons) after my name are enough to prove that despite going to WOODLANDS COMMUNITY SCHOOL the state school system can allow people to obtain academic success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 RIP ANDY SIMMONS some one start a thread for him, saints supporter for 30 years died a week today, he leaves behind 6 kids & twins of 16 months! a mate though & though Sincere condolences for this mate. Sorry to here this news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Osti Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Who Honestly gives a F~ck??? two days ago saints looked dead a buried so lets just respect the blokes wishes ehh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Who Honestly gives a F~ck??? two days ago saints looked dead a buried so lets just respect the blokes wishes ehh? Obviousily you are entitle to your opinion . Its a simple question that required a simple answer. the bit in bold is because I am not sure what thats about? Not giving a **** was one ot the reason we landed in this mess in the first place. I think tranparency is still very important. Don't forget it is some of us fans that have been digging deep to help keep the club going so I do feel it is important that we know the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massimo Osti Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 You have obv had too many cans of fosters with your BBQ mate. Give it a rest will you as your spiel Is becoming a bit boring to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 You have obv had too many cans of fosters with your BBQ mate. Give it a rest will you as your spiel Is becoming a bit boring to be honest.[/QUOTE] Well don't read or post a reply then. As far as I'm concerned I started a thread over a sincere question I have. For all of you that 'don't give a ****' I will leave you to 'just get behind the team'. Despite what I write 'being a bit boring' ( probably as it involves the power of thought) I will continue to post as and what I like as I have paid my due's! and Why would I drink **** like fosters? when it is probably the worst larger brewed down under?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RinNY Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Why would it matter how much was paid for the club? I believe that, according to one of the statements by Fry and/or Lynam, it is specified as part of the deal that the price will never be disclosed. The thing is, so long as Fry and the creditors are willing to accept the money offered, that's all that counts. And we have been assured that they do accept it, meaning that they are collectively and individually getting enough of what is owed to them that they are willing to take it and walk away from SFC leaving no more debt burden. Just be glad about that, eh? The exact sum is basically irrelevant to us fans. More importantly, Lynam assures us in his statement that, while SFC has to run as a business standing on its own two feet, the owner is going to be willing and able to stump up money for investments in the team that the professional football people running the team, who will include MLT in an important capacity, deem necessary. That, surely, is excellent news all around. Why not take that and stop worrying about the sum of the takeover deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Why would it matter how much was paid for the club? I believe that, according to one of the statements by Fry and/or Lynam, it is specified as part of the deal that the price will never be disclosed. The thing is, so long as Fry and the creditors are willing to accept the money offered, that's all that counts. And we have been assured that they do accept it, meaning that they are collectively and individually getting enough of what is owed to them that they are willing to take it and walk away from SFC leaving no more debt burden. Just be glad about that, eh? The exact sum is basically irrelevant to us fans. More importantly, Lynam assures us in his statement that, while SFC has to run as a business standing on its own two feet, the owner is going to be willing and able to stump up money for investments in the team that the professional football people running the team, who will include MLT in an important capacity, deem necessary. That, surely, is excellent news all around. Why not take that and stop worrying about the sum of the takeover deal? Could it be that Aviva and other creditors don't want it made public how much they are prepared to accept in settlement in case it prejudices other bankrupcy settlements? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Could it be that Aviva and other creditors don't want it made public how much they are prepared to accept in settlement in case it prejudices other bankrupcy settlements? This is what I feel is the reason - but as the the whole admin issue was forced by Barclays would it not be a good idea to see how lillte of the £4m the wanted back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 This is what I feel is the reason - but as the the whole admin issue was forced by Barclays would it not be a good idea to see how lillte of the £4m the wanted back? There might be some small smile of satisfaction should the figure ever be released. For now, I'll settle for a period of stability followed by steady improvement. Who knows, perhaps Barclays just got p!ssed off dealing with Rupert? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ooohTerryHurlock Posted 30 May, 2009 Author Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Why would it matter how much was paid for the club? I believe that, according to one of the statements by Fry and/or Lynam, it is specified as part of the deal that the price will never be disclosed. The thing is, so long as Fry and the creditors are willing to accept the money offered, that's all that counts. And we have been assured that they do accept it, meaning that they are collectively and individually getting enough of what is owed to them that they are willing to take it and walk away from SFC leaving no more debt burden. Just be glad about that, eh? The exact sum is basically irrelevant to us fans. More importantly, Lynam assures us in his statement that, while SFC has to run as a business standing on its own two feet, the owner is going to be willing and able to stump up money for investments in the team that the professional football people running the team, who will include MLT in an important capacity, deem necessary. That, surely, is excellent news all around. Why not take that and stop worrying about the sum of the takeover deal? If you look some of my earlier post on different threads you will see that I have always championed MLT spear heading a bid to buy this club. MLT is my boyhood/manhood hero... a true legend and I am thrilled at the prospect of rallying behind him, but as a former shareholder/fan/lifelong supporter or just sad git, I still feel it is important to know what the done deal was for. We have seen recently with the MP scandal and our own shenanigans what happens when things are carried out in secret. Lets have it open from the start - we paid this for it/ this is the way forward and this is how we are going to liase with the fan base.... Getting off on the right foot is so very important. I won't lose any sleep over it and wish the new owners well but i think it is worth considering on there part as it will show there transparency - something which has been sadly lacking over recent years. These were my reasons for starting the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 30 May, 2009 Share Posted 30 May, 2009 Since it was PLC that failed, don't these figures have to be made public? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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