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I assure you, I will NEVER stop bringing this up. They're on a par with the Skate Cheats to me. The 2008 FA Cup Final was not a favourite moment.

I don't think there is a third kit. Agreed re: "reds", though why we couldn't just sing "Saints" God knows.

The red shirt has 7 pairs of twinned up stripes, which is what the Sweden shirt has. The middle one is in line with the centre of the shirt. I'm still not 100% convinced it's not one grey and one white in the pair. They do look like one stripe from a distance, but yes, narrower than the ones above.

It's an enormously embarrassing money-grabbing scheme that no "proud" football club should stand for, entirely caused by their money problems due to mismanagement, and I will be milking it for all it's worth to some of my former work colleagues on Facebook. The dragon thing is also the last refuge of the desperate, and Sam Hamman tried to do the same thing 10 years ago when they first added the welsh flag to the shirt and tried to claim they were the true "welsh club" that all welsh people should support. The derision from Swansea City fans (away kit this season of red, white and green) was tangible. It was bad enough when they made last season's 3rd kit the colours of the Malaysian national team ! I give it 2 years before they change their name to something like Cardiff Dragonny Proper Welsh Isnit Malaysians as well.

Plenty of clubs have experiemented with changing their colours for various reasons, but there's "rebranding", and there's being so desperate for money you'll completely sell out the club's identity from the last 100 years. This is the latter. They probably should have thought of this before building their entire new stadium in blue really, shouldn't they ? Especially as Cardiff Blues rugby club are now vacating to move back to the Arms Park as well.

Zero, as about 75% of their current fanbase are already plastics and any splinter group would be pointed at the Welsh Premier League not the English pyramid by the authorities. And there are already at least 5 Cardiff-based clubs in the Welsh League, none of which get crowds, never mind decent crowds. I know 3 Cardiff City ST holders, one is a former South Wales Arsenal Supporters Club member, one was a Spurs fan and occasional WHL attendee when I was going out with her best mate in the late 1990s, and the last one is a lifelong plastic Liverpool fan who jumped ship when they were top of the Championship a few years back. None of them had ever seen a Cardiff City match before they got into the Championship, and none of them live in Cardiff.

We also wore it in the Championship the following season and didn't get relegated, so it's hardly an omen. As a one time Newport County season ticket holder I'd like to take this opportunity to laugh heartily at Cardiff City becoming a massive bunch of money-desperate sellouts and dumping all over their history and nickname, so hahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaa!

I can also confirm that Swansea away in 2008 was an absolutely awful away day, and I was on a promise in Newport and only making a 40 minute train journey. The rest of it sort of worked out, to some extent, but the football and the herding and the performance (oh, and the casual racism) made it a pretty horrible trip. Being from Newport I have pretty low expectations of football in South Wales to begin with, but South Wales Police were something else.

There are 4 I haven't done yet, 1 Arsenal 2 Newcastle 3 Wigan 4 Sunderland. After that it's Liverpool, Reading, both Manchester clubs and probably Spurs, which I've been to twice but never to see Saints! The missus will make me go to Chelsea too, though I prefer Fulham as an awayday. Actually most of the big club trips are more "big city" trips, and QPR is a pain plus expensive so I'm not so keen on that one!

I'd always wondered why the (N)IFA was the IFA and the FAI wasn't the IFA until fairly recently - but the week the Euros start is not the time to be committing to this kind of detail! So anyway, 5th home country?

LOL, I only amended it based on what had already been written, my understanding was that it just meant Ireland in "irish". Anyway, nice to know the other 150 things I posted were correct, managing by exception.

I'm going to point out that the model said she was photographed in both home and away, described the red quite close to what we'd said but didn't recall the detail of the white - which implies it wasn't just the reverse, as that would have been pretty obvious. Also, no mention of a third kit, and we know Umbro haven't made three kits for anyone in England for over 5 years, since they started the Tailored By range in fact. That's all confused by the sudden 50% off sale in the club shops, implying that this year's yellow won't be used again (or why would they discount it when they've barely bothered before?). I much prefer the white one, but there's nothing to say that's even close to the design. Also worth noting that Stoke have released both their new kits and white probably won't clash with the shirt (but they wear white shorts and socks too), and their away is red and blue stripes! Sunderland have jumped to adidas so are probably trying to find something that doesn't look the same as Stoke...

It looks like Itchen_Dan's mock up, more or less.

Because I have something resembling a collection of Saints shirts. Even the ugly ones. If it's crappy I generally don't buy it until they reduce it, but I'll get it eventually. I also only wear my replica shirts to Saints matches or occasionally to 5-a-side or football training, seems perfectly reasonable to me. What I don't get is blokes who treat football as some kind of chav fashion show.

I think you're missing the point. Ireland and "The Republic" (in context of Ireland) are all perfectly legitimate ways to describe the Republic of Ireland and there's no issue with In That Number using that terminology to refer to Republic of Ireland internationals. Eire is a little more woolly because it refers to a united Ireland, as pointed out already, but that's not even my issue with it. What's strange is your choice to describe the Republic of Ireland as a "home nation" and include their internationals in the answer. In football terms there have always been 4 "home nations", which for the best part of 100 years haven't included the Irish Republic. That area WAS included prior to Irish partition because that area of Ireland WAS then part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland (as opposed to United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland since 1922). But even then there were only 4 home nations, administered by the (English) FA, the Scottish FA, the FA of Wales and the (now Northern) Irish FA, and it hasn't been the case since 1921. There's no reason to include a separate sovereign state as part of this discussion, and caps handed out by the FAI (formed following Irish partition in 1922) are completely irrelevant to the "home nations". As I stated above, it's as relevant as adding France to the discussion, which also previously had a strong link to the English/British crown dating back to the 1600s but is not a "home nation" by any modern measure. Also, the reason there is a united team for rugby is because they were never segregated in the first place. It's not a breakthrough, there was still only one team for rugby even when Belfast was basically a religious war zone in the 70s and 80s. I honestly don't know anyone else who would refer to the Republic of Ireland as a "home nation", which renders the question a tad jarring.

I wouldn't include them in the categorisation in the first place. Can we have some stats about English, Scottish, Welsh, Northern Irish and French players, it's just as relevant a comparison. I also think you'd be more likely to offend Irish contributors from the Republic by lumping them in with the UK than by recognising the Republic's independence from 90-odd years ago.

The fact we haven't done it before makes it a good marketing idea for a start. No idea where you get "isn't Cortese's style" from. Pretty much every South American kit launch uses female models as well.

What she said confirmed what we'd already said on here, with the exception of saying the away kit is white, which I'd already guessed based on the design of the home kit only. It is possible it's a training kit, but it would mean ignoring the same information coming from at least 2 different sources that I'm aware of. The fact it looks like a training kit is part of the problem for me, I already have a load of plain red Saints shirts from the times we had red training kit. I'll get it no matter what though.

If we're wearing either red shirts or white shirts against a team in red and white shirts (and both Sunderland and Stoke will be) there will be a clash.

I suggested that purely based on my guessing the away would be white and as we didn't usually reduce kit price. We have now reduced the kit price, though we also "know" the away kit is white.

Speaking of which, forgot to say they have lots more sizes in West Quay than online for he 50% off kit.

Would make sense, but Umbro haven't made 3rd kits for as long as they've been doing 1 year kits, the Prem sides with 3rd kits previously have all used a previous season's shirt (eg Man City with their white sash 3rd/Euro this season, the WBA 3rd a couple of years ago). Neither Sunderland nor Man City had a new 3rd kit made for last season and we're currently flogging the current yellow at 50% off.

I quite like that 1982 Nike Sunderland shirt, wouldn't be surprised if our away looked quite like it. Afaik at the moment, the model is the only person to comment about the away kit, "white with some details", but I think I prefer that to the red version.

If there's not one out by my wedding anniversary I'm going to have to buy my own... They JUST got the sash kit out in time for my wedding day in 2010 (the wife got a shirt with her new surname on it and wore it over her wedding dress for a bit, lol), but last year I had to have an IOU, due to their faffing.

In the sense that you've already paid for it in your contract. It's still local rate not freephone though.