CB Fry

I'm not going to lie I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to mean. You think the FA need "tread carefully" on charging us with spying because it could set a "precedent". But you also don't think any other clubs are about to be caught/charged with spying either. So what "precedent" is being created if you are not expecting any other club to face similar charges any time soon? I am worried that all you are saying is the millionth version of "why are we being punished when Manchester City aren't being punished". To which the answer is: we wouldn't be being punished if we didn't do the spying. Whatever is or isn't happening with other "big clubs" with "smart lawyers" on completely different cases is not particularly relevant here.

Precedent setting in that other clubs will tighten things up so that they don't ever get caught spying, you mean? Sounds like a good thing. If you think suddenly there is going to a raft of spying charges against Premier League teams because of some "precedent" being set then you are going to be very disappointed. I think we have to accept that only our idiot club are stupid enough to get caught. Anyway, the FA charges will mainly about the spying but I would think it will cover the culture around the coaching team as well, through the lens of Tonda being the head of that.

There are rules. There are also rules like "bringing the game into disrepute" which covers unique/different/atypical situations. That kind of catch-all behaviour rules are written in every employment contract for every employee in the country. Basically don't be a twat and we judge what that is if we think you've done it. No business or institution anywhere has an Encyclopedia Brittanica of every conceivable punishable offence all written out.

aaaaand we're back round to "its not in the rulebook so it can't be against the rules" horseshit.

I heard Southampton being mentioned as a club KK played for on BBC radio and TV loads of times in the last couple of days. Honestly some people are fucking mental.

I think you need to get over me telling you to get over it. Get over it.

None of that is "Punishment" from the FA's perspective. Honestly this is quite tiring.

The club have been punished. Where have I said they haven't? Tonda has not been punished as an individual and he will be. People churning out bullshit analogies to convince themselves he won't be can crack on but they will be disappointed.

Any lawyer will be dealing with mitigation as we have already admitted we did it. Your mistake is to think we are formulating a defence, we aren't, we are mitigating the scale of the punishment.

what a load of nonsense. The club benefited from cheating and can be punished as a club. Tonda was the instigator and lead on the cheating and can also be punished as an individual. It absolutely can be "one or the other" as we have seen when organisations (like NHS trusts) are punished and then individuals in that organisation are also punished. There's no two bites of the cherry, just Saints and Saints fans moaning. Get over it.

No but you can get a punishment from the council and also from your employer. So your example doesn't work. Please can everyone stop posting up utterly pointless analogies.

He was always always getting some kind of punishment so really it is just about the severity.

Saints app on my phone gave an alert that "SFC acknowledge the charges against Tonda..." or something but I now can't see anything. So they put something up then pulled it

Fiddling while Rome burns as usual.

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