CB Fry

Ten points from 16 games sounds pretty pathetic to me.

Most people? What people? Most on here know who he is. I don't think anyone was expecting Olly's tweet to be the lead story on the Ten O'Clock news.

Some on here got caught up in a load of lunatic hype about our manager, our players and the potential of the club on the back of the promotions, seeming to be convinced that we returned to the Premier League as some European megaclub in the making with a bottomless pit of cash and a miracle football genius factory in Staplewood firing us to the Champion's League. Adkins hyped beyond belief, our potential as a Eurogiant with 50,000 gates hyped beyond belief. Just horseshi t piled on horseshi t. However, that doesn't mean that the opposite is now true. A bit of organisation and discipline coupled with the firepower we have, we can win games in this division. We could have stayed up from August. It is now much more difficult but we can still do it.

As it stands there is no evidence that our manager or our chief executive are able to make the step up to the Premier League. Only one of the two will lose their job in the short term, though and that's our Nige.

Our current plight reminds me very much of Sir Alex Ferguson's early tenure at Man United.

Completely unreasonable to expect us to get anything from an away game against one of the top five megateams in the league.

About time for a couple of Adkins inexplicable substitutions isn't it?

Gary Neville better say we were brilliant or I'm complaining to Sky.

Shane Long playing like Michael Laudrup out there.

I'm more of an Only Connect man myself. BBC4 about now.

At least we haven't reverted to aimless clogs forward. Only the beautiful Southampton way for us.

I think you're thinking of Yazz (and the Plastic Population). Yazoo is Alyson Moyet's favourite Milk based drink.

Probably the fact that this forum is the last place on earth that considers bankers to be infallible business geniuses.

Have we made required payments at the required time then? As it stands none of us know what we have or haven't done. But in Wonga Cortese we trust.

I don't think the Prem is any better than it was when we went down. Arsenal, Chelsea, Man U and Spurs have all had far better teams then they have now. Man City may have their best ever team but are they better than Mourinho's Chelsea? Barely. And the same counts for the rest of the division. Wages have gone up, is all. Seriously, the standard is much the same as it was a decade ago. And If anything has got clearly weaker, it is the bottom third. Plenty of garbage down there in the last few seasons have stayed up.

Indeed they have. Mainly the fu ckwits who spent the summer talking about us finishing mid table this season and then on to Europe next season. Didn't you know man walked on the moon? If you think we can stay up by only taking points from teams from eleventh on down then you are going to end the season dissappointed.

Mainly because you're including Fulham and West Ham in your list of Megateams.

Sorry, TTD, you've not been reading the forum rules about the ten games. The ten games where we are allowed to assess our performance: Do NOT include any games against teams we cannot expect to get points against. This is defined as any team in the top ten either when we play them, or at any point in the subsequent three months. Do NOT include any games when the manager is unable to pick from a 100% fully fit and settled in squad. These criteria will be assessed and decided on by only the "intelligent" forum posters. You know, Frank and Les. Our betters. As it stands we have played zero games this season. Come back in April for a review of the first five games.

Funny all that talk of "we've never had this investment before, Champion's League here we come" has died out and the precise same people are suddenly desperate to reclassify us as tiny little plucky little Southampton and chiding anyone expecting us to win a game as being "impatient" and unrealistic. Funny that. Turns out the Dell-sized mentality was right after all.

I don't back you up. He's been counting his money for half a decade, and a couple of games in the second tier doesn't change a thing. And as for "double his wages".....Jesus H. Christ.

Reading to win for me. Would like to see the QPR meltdown if they lose. And Reading are going down anyway. Probably with us.

With their glittering coaching careers behind them, they clearly cannot fail.

Bruce Hornsby's The Way It Is for, I think, the same reason.

I thought this was a fantastic new era for the club where anything is possible and we just have to believe and we can be in the Champions League. What happened to that then?

In that case, agreed.