Sir Ralph

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Enjoy the game tomorrow COYS

Thats clearly not what she is saying. She is talking about how the actions of his killers is going to push her to carry on his work. People are mocking his death online. She is restrained. I think that people are looking for an angle because of his political views. Unlike other high profile deaths I don’t think there will be social disorder despite the strength of feeling. So far we have seen vigils and prayers.

I agree and there has been lots of online vitriol towards him with people mocking his death. Her speech was not a call to arms it was about carrying on his legacy and how she was determined to do it.

we will probably disagree about whether he was stupid or racist in this instance because I think he is making a different point to the one you interpret and he has also quoted DEI as being negative if it promotes white people. So his objection is to DEI not skin colour. Out of interest, when you mention the other times he has shown bigoted views are you able to provide examples as I can’t find any? There are tens of videos where he is actually promoting positive engagement and coming together between different factions- the opposite of bigotry

Ok agreed - I’ll put you on ignore if you keep calling me a c bomb though. 😆

This feels weird - why are we being nice to each other? Maybe let’s both be a bit more respectful to each other in future posts

Thats fine and you’re fully entitled to your opinion. We would probably actually get on ok in reality. also thanks for calling me fairly well educated - I’ll take that as a compliment. I’ll take your advice on board and try to be less of a c bomb If you move to Dubai I’ll give you my friends details so you can hang out with them 😉

I have children and I agree it takes the edges of you. I see the world much differently than before kids. You talk about empathy and kindness but your posts don’t really reflect that in the way you engage with people if I’m being honest. I’m not saying I’m an angel either. Not being rude or trying to wind you up just an observation as I know you have broad enough shoulders to take it. I mean you called us both c bombs in the above message

No - if you think he is a facist it doesn’t fit the below definition. Let’s deal in facts. How does he meet the definition on this basis? fascist is a follower or proponent of fascism, a far-right political ideology characterized by extreme nationalism, authoritarian rule by a single party and dictator, and totalitarian control over society. Fascism places the nation above all else, opposing individual rights, democracy, and often using violence and oppression to maintain power and achieve national unity. Notable examples include Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Are you pissed?

He is quoting out of context on purpose. He already posted quotes earlier which were shown to be incorrect. I’ll await the Dubai comment

What he said in response to a question was United Airlines wanted to employ 50% women and people of colour (their description). He said that because of that policy it would mean that you wouldn’t necessarily get the best people for the job as you are prioritising someone’s profile instead of their competency . This would reduce standards for pilots in this scenario. He didn’t say they wouldn’t be qualified. He said the quality would reduce, and therefore DEI profiling lowers standards and this is why DEI isn’t good, in his opinion. He is also using pilots as an example only - the principle he is arguing is intended to apply to a range of roles and different groups of people

He didn’t say that - you need to watch the video to see the context also. I don’t recall a video where he has denigrated lesbians or disabled people but if you have them happy to be wrong

But who said that?

He didn’t say that at all. What he said in response to a question was United Airlines wanted to employ 50% women and people of colour (their description). He said that because of that policy it would mean that you wouldn’t necessarily get the best people for the job as you are prioritising someone’s profile instead of their competency . This would reduce standards for pilots in this scenario. He didn’t say they wouldn’t be qualified. He said the quality would reduce, and therefore DEI profiling lowers standards and this is why DEI isn’t good, in his opinion. He is also using pilots as an example only - the principle he is arguing is intended to apply to a range of roles and different groups of people

He didn’t say black people couldnt fly planes for some reason. That would have been making negative assumptions or racist. He used that only as an example (he has used other groups, including white people to make the case against DEI also) that DEI could select somebody based on their skin colour. In fact he is arguing against racial profiling that he perceives DEI introduces.

You would need to watch the original video to see the context. Doesn’t DEI, in some instances, racially profile people by virtue of its concept?

Without getting into the rights and wrongs of DEI, I think the point was made earlier was he made racist comments based on the extraction of some text. You might disagree with what he says about DEI and others may agree. You need to remember that he is also undertaking a debate with somebody - an exchange of views. It isn’t a speech. The point he is making is in his opinion is that DEI can place importance on matters other than competence. He also in other videos used the inverse about if you applied DEI to white people and how that would not result in the best outcome. You may disagree with his views on DEIs and the outcomes of it but the point he is making is that in his opinion DEI doesnt result in the best outcomes. In my opinion that isn’t a racist view which is what was alleged

Enjoy your evening

Yes the words Johnny S quoted would be racist but he doesn’t say that. It’s complete misinformation. If you watch the video you will see that. The reason I showed the video is because it is him using the relevant words. So you think what he says in that video is racist?

Cause he didn’t say that - watch the video and then tell me if it’s racist. This is painful

Well I’ve given you the video of him saying what Jonny S alleges. Watch it and make your mind up. It’s a prime example of people making a statement to frame in a bad way when they didn’t say it.

Are you joking? It’s the opposite - he doesn’t say anything negative or discrimatory about skin colour or heritage. Why do you think it is racist?

Cause they are - multiple claims have been made about this bloke all of which are unfounded and have no evidence. Explain this to me, if there’s no evidence of him being racist and derogatory, why do so many people on here seem to want to find something wrong with him? Why not just say, maybe he wasn’t as bad as we thought. But no, persistently pursue the narrative