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Also missing out the whole 'you can meet with ONE other person from another household' thing then - but then that only came into effect in May for England, but (I think?) still not in effect for Wales. Definitely wasn't available in either country in March.

Missing out the whole 'unless exceptional circumstances' thing then - I get that the circumstances are up for debate, no denying that! You're also missing out the whole 'do not travel out of your local area' directive that the Welsh Government had (still have?) in place.

As opposed to what he has claimed he was doing (no evidence yet to suggest otherwise, but happy to be corrected), which was to stay indoors with his family, 'isolating' and retrieve food deliveries left outside the door?

It's odd really. On the one hand you state that everyone should adhere to the 'directives' or face criminal charges or a fine. It's pretty clear the Cummings DID NOT follow those directives. I believe there was one other option available to police at the time (we had a reasonably heated discussion on this very thread at the time), which meant they could also give appropriate advice to anyone who is/was in contravention of the 'directives'. Why is it then, that you (and indeed many, many otheres) have decided that given the three options; advice, fine, criminal charges, that he (or anyone else for that matter) should be 'sacked'? On what grounds would a 'sacking' in this instance likely stand up in a tribunal - I imagine he has a fairly standard contract when it comes to gross misconduct, potentially it could be claimed that he 'brought the company into disrepute', but then there is the statement from Durham Constabulary which seems to suggest that the 'advice' option was deemed appropriate at the time : If you are happy for Cummings to be fired for ignoring the 'directives', where do you draw the line? Do you go back through all the CCTV with people in parks, on beaches etc during the lockdown who have clearly also ignored the 'directives' and go and hound their employers campainging for them to also be sacked? Yes, the man (and his family) have clearly not followed the 'directives' but shouldn't the 'punishment' for this follow the prescribed guidelines?

Nick Triggle seems to be getting there.... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52758024

Yeah, too right, talk about closing the stable door after the horse has bolted! Totally ridiculous and unsupportable, we should all just ignore it! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52781812

Apologies, 'Early April' not March, but I guess the point stands....

You do know this was reported in March don't you? Where was your moral outrage at the time?

He can have the 'whip' removed and / or be expelled from the Labour party. In both instances, no, his constituents wouldn't have a say.

Where have I said that? So far I've mentioned that in all instances the 'punishment' should fit the 'crime'. Do you not think that is an adequate response from the police?

More or less hypocritical than the opposition? https://www.itv.com/news/wales/2020-03-30/police-urge-mp-stephen-kinnock-to-comply-with-coronavirus-lockdown-rules-after-visiting-dad-on-birthday/ Seems to me that both 'offenders' were advised by the police - as were the instructions at the time - so should they both lose their livelihoods as a result, or is it worse if you aren't an MP?

Footballers are considered to be 'role models' (FFS!) and what they say and do is copied up and down the country. I doubt very much that anyone in their right mind is considering Dominic Cummings to be a role model!

I don't think anyone can or will defend it. However, should the 'punishment' fit the crime? The BBC article states that the police were involved at the time and 'appropriate advice regarding travel' was issued. It doesn't state whether they took any further action. I get that people are calling for him to resign - SNP and Lib Dems - but is that a 'fitting punishment'. I doubt whether he will voluntarily resign - it happened over 2 months ago so he has had plenty of opportunity to do so - so should he be sacked? If so, should the same 'punishment' be applied to everyone who has broken the lockdown rules? Footballers having parties with hookers, trips to Paris etc etc, should they all be sacked too?

Prime real estate in Central London, would certainly make someone very happy.

According to the article you posted, the treatment is used when people are struggling in intensive care once their immune system is compromised....

Oooppppssss https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52779356

He should have a word with Boris

Not what I asked though was it? I'm aware of the term 'excess deaths' and understand the implications, merely asking where the 55k figure comes from - thank you MLG for providing the answer! Any response to question 2?

2 questions... 1. Where do you get 55,000 extra deaths from - the current figures are 36,042 in total aren't they? 2. Are you really suggesting that UK Government is responsible for 55,000 excess deaths?

You seem to have misunderstood the whole logic behind the lockdown. It was to stop the NHS from being overwhelmed, thus creating more deaths than necessary. If we 'crack on as usual', even with a treatment as in the link, there is the distinct possibility that the NHS would become overwhelmed once the rate of infection rises again....

#classicshirley - once again showing your narcissistic side and throwing personal insults. You should seek help from a professional regarding your narcissism as you're clearly not well, pal.

Lol. Turkish is all over the place. The more he posts, the more it is absolutely clear that he doesn't, probably never has, believed in any god of any kind. His sole purpose on this thread is to be as obnoxious as possible to MLG to continue to try and wind him up. If MLG says something is white, Turkish will say it's black just for the sake of the argument. That's 'mental'.

Worse than that surely, otherwise why would 'Hell' exist? If God created man, knowing how he would live his life, then why the need to punish people in Hell for something he has pre-ordained?

Some have evidence freely available in the public domain to determine their size