Saint George

lol....."Climategate"....love it http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/ This thing could end up being as big as Watergate or even bigger....$Billions having been appropriated by Governments around the World on the back of manipulated and dodgy data Going to get real ugly for some. But at least the lefties and liberals can let go of their comfy blankets now they now it was all a nasty scam!

Well, well, well, well Would ya believe it, the UEA's Hadley Climate Research Centre was either hacked last night, or an insider with a concience had had enough..... 61mb of emails and data have been put into the public domain via a Russian web site....They did it because "We feel that climate science is, in the current situation, too important to be kept under wraps.....We hereby release a random selection of correspondence, code, and documents" This is explosive, its massive and its killed the current 'Man Made' Global Warming projections stone dead overnite...This thing involves many of the major "warming" players, we're not talking bit part hobyist's here and the truth is finaly out....The lies, the deception, the plans to indoctrinate UK Citizens...The politics behind the movement, the plans put in place to silence skeptical scientists, the lot...Hell, in one email a prominant "alarmist" admits his departments models are wrong and Steve McIntyre (a leading sceptic) was right, he then goes on to discuss options to 'cover up' the errors! There's even long threads of head scratching and and asking “Where is the warming?” With a lot of peeps "deeplyconcerned" about the lack of observed warming......There's even one that seems to admit they got the Korttajarvi Finnish temperature proxies the wrong way round! Their figures have not been making any sense for years now and now we know why...... I've been telling peeps for years, they're gunna look stupid if they keep falling for the scam and a scam it is, I can now add ..FACT! http://biased-bbc.blogspot.com/2009/11/hadley-hacked.html There's a document by Hadley's Professor Phil Jones which shows that he was so concerned by Freedom Of Information requests for raw data that he was contemplating ways to remove key information and reconstruct the data to make it fit the preferred conclusions. There's an email from American climate scientist Tom Wigley advising Professor Jones how to manipulate some data to emphasise warming trends. There's an email from Jones telling his colleagues to delete incriminatory emails. There's another from Jones in which he tells a colleague that he's used the same "trick" as Michael Mann (Mr Hockey Stick) "to hide the decline", and in yet another he calls the reported death of a climate sceptic "cheering news". There's an email from Mann himself promising senior Hadley staff that they can use the RealClimate website to post articles and he will ensure the censorship of any comments from sceptics challenging what they've written. There's an email from senior IPCC scientist Kevin Trenberth in which he asks, "Where the heck is global warming?…The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t." There's an email in which Hadley staff promise to blackball scientists from the IPCC report whose work doesn't conform to their alarmist predictions: "keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is ! " http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-has-apparently-been-hacked-hundreds-of-files- released/#more-12937 "I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline." http://www.investigatemagazine.com/australia/latestissue.pdf "The Internet is on fire this morning with confirmation computers at one of the world’s leading climate research centres were hacked, and the information released on the internet. A 62 megabyte zip file, containing around 160 megabytes of emails, pdfs and other documents, has been confirmed as genuine by the head of the University of East Anglia’s Climate Research Unit, Dr Phil Jones." http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/ "So the 1079 emails and 72 documents seem indeed evidence of a scandal involving most of the most prominent scientists pushing the man-made warming theory - a scandal that is one of the greatest in modern science. I’ve been adding some of the most astonishing in updates below - emails suggesting conspiracy, collusion in exaggerating warming data, possibly illegal destruction of embarrassing information, organized resistance to disclosure, manipulation of data, private admissions of flaws in their public claims and much more. If it is as it now seems, never again will “peer review” be used to shout down sceptics. " http://www.inthenews.co.uk/news/europe/science/top-climate-change-body-hit-by-hackers-$1341718.htm http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/20/do-hacked-e-mails-show-global-warming-fraud/ "At least eight papers purporting to reconstruct the historical temperature record times may need to be revisited, with significant implications for contemporary climate studies, the basis of the IPCC’s assessments. A number of these involve senior climatologists at the British climate research centre CRU at the University East Anglia. In every case, peer review failed to pick up the errors." http://climateresearchnews.com/2009/11/uea-climate-research-unit-emails-hacked/ Thats just a few links..just google "hadley hacked" or "University of East Anglia hacked" for more...Its like a growing rash all over the Internet Now the Main Stream Media and the politicians will now ...They are going to have to take the other side of the story into account from here on in........This can't be put back in the bottle In the words of Senator Inhofe on the floor of the US Senate on Wednesday..... "I also said in Milan that the science is not settled. That was an unpopular view back then. But today, since Al Gore's science fiction movie, more and more scientists, reporters, and politicians are questioning global warming alarmism. I proudly declare 2009 as the "Year of the Skeptic"-the year in which scientists who question the so-called global warming consensus are being heard." BTW...let me take this opportunity to extended my sincere sympathy to anyone who maybe suffering the horrendous flooding in Northen parts of the UK at the moment....My heart goes out to y'all.

I didn't see you speaking out when i first started posting on the subject, all those years ago and received nothing but hysterical abuse...and peeps like StLandrew who so arrogantly stated "the debate was over" You my friend, are a clasic case of those "tolerant Liberals", the one's that are only tolerant when peeps agree with you.

See here we go, ...Both Badger and Aint are confusing the 'facts' with 'opinion' The 'facts' are that the Earth has been on a cooling trend for the best part of a decade now. That's a fact, that even the alarmist's are finally starting to begrudgingly admit....Let me remind y'all of the hysterical abuse i received on here a few years back when i first pointed it out. In the articles i posted here there is also 'some' 'opinion' that the Earth may well get warmer again at some time in the future....Something the usual suspects have predictably jumped right on as if it were a 'fact' This is where the opinion of the IPCC and the hysterical alarmists have had the Earth's climate heading, compare that with what really happened and you'll get to see a clearer picture of whats going on As we know ...Nothing like that happened or is even likely to happen....The Earths climate has in fact followed Solar activity far closer than 'any' of the alarmist computer models Give it five years and we'll prolly know beyond any shadow of a doubt what the main driver of the Earths climate is.

The "ignorant" are the dim and the gullible who fall for stunts like this.....http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/not-finding-any-gore-airbrushes-in-hurricanes-for-his-new-book/ **** like this has been going on now for decades, ever since the IPCC condoned the airbrushing out of the Medieval Warm period and the Little Ice age and the sheeple keep lapping it up Man made Warming? what warming ? http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,662092,00.html http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14504 Wake up people! and start thinking for yourselves, before its too late!

The IPCC certainly didn't, when they introduced the world to this.......And this is where it all started http://www.john-daly.com/hockey/hockey.htm "The evidence from the `exhibits' is overwhelming. From all corners of the world, the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age clearly shows up in a variety of proxy indicators, proxies more representative of temperature than the inadequate tree rings used by Michael Mann. What is disquieting about the `Hockey Stick' is not Mann's presentation of it originally. As with any paper, it would sink into oblivion if found to be flawed in any way. Rather it was the reaction of the greenhouse industry to it - the chorus of approval, the complete lack of critical evaluation of the theory, the blind acceptance of evidence which was so flimsy. The industry embraced the theory for one reason and one reason only - it told them exactly what they wanted to hear. Proponents of the `Hockey Stick' should recall George Orwell's `Nineteen Eighty-Four', a black SF drama in which his fictional totalitarian regime used `memory holes' to re-invent past history [22]. In this age of instant communication, there is no `memory hole' big enough to overturn the historical truth about the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age."

Nice list there, but not much more than If's, buts, maybe's and dodgy climate models......Some of it is hopelessly out of date and some of it, nothing more than politically or financially led clap trap....But where's the facts?, the proven theory's and scientific Laws? The IPCC?....the same UN and politically led IPCC that introduced the World to Mann's "Hockey Stick", complete with air brushed out Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age?....nope....no credibility there The U.S. Global Change Research Program? another Political organization. None the less they've recently introduced rhetoric like this......"No matter how aggressively heat-trapping emissions are reduced, some amount of climate change and resulting impacts will continue. Consequently, there is a need for adaptation".....oh look there's that word "adaptation" again http://www.globalchange.gov/component/content/article/67-themes/153-our-changing-planet The Intergovernmental Arctic Council?....from 2004?.....May have looked relevant back then but the Earth has 'Cooled' a fair bit since they wrote that assessment The European Academy of Sciences and Arts........ Arts?....Anything with the word "Arts" in the title deserves no place in a science discussion.....Next! The Network of African Science Academies...LOL this is great heh...Africa is one of the largest benefactors of the Cap and Trade scam lol ...They're the recipients of $$$Billions$$$ in global scam grants from the West. Like Turkey's are ever going to vote for xmas lol National Research Council?.....IPCC arse kissers...great way to get funding As for your comment "In fact, according to wikipedia, since 2007, no scientific body of national or international standing has maintained a dissenting opinion Are you kidding me?..... http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/23406/Scores_of_PeerReviewed_Studies_Contradict_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html http://www.heartland.org/publications/environment%20climate/article/23561/More_PeerReviewed_Studies_Contradict_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/23697/Still_More_PeerReviewed_Studies_Contradict_Global_Warming_Alarmism.html Enough of the theories, ifs, but's, maybe's and dodgy models etc...here are the undisputed 'facts' Nature's gunna get ya! http://www.longrangeweather.com/global_temperatures.htm Good luck with trying to stand in the way of that! and to put it all into words...... http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/other/Robinson_Soon.pdf . . .

Ah so the 3000 were just atendee's at a sumit then.....A bit like 3000 peeps watching big Al's movie....When you said "Hmmm - who to believe ? 3000 scientists who've each spent there entire working lives on climatology etc., who are at least as intelligent as anyone on this forum and who say there is a problem after following scientific method." I assumed you at least knew who these peeps were, I mean you sounded so sure of their history and IQ levels. Apparently not, silly me.....Just as well you called them irrelevant then. Interesting that you happen to mention the AAAS though.....Look at the wording that has just miraculously slipped into their letter to the US Senate in Oct 09 "If we are to avoid the most severe impacts of climate change, emissions of greenhouse gases must be dramatically reduced. In addition, adaptation will be necessary to address those impacts that are already unavoidable. Adaptation efforts include improved infrastructure design, more sustainable management of water and other natural resources, modified agricultural practices, and improved emergency responses to storms, floods, fires and heat waves. http://"http://www.aaas.org/news/releases/2009/media/1021climate_letter.pdf hmmmm sounds like they're starting to hedge their bets a little, you could even say they're finally starting to accept Climate Change is inevitable...Definitely the first signs of a little wriggling there....and even worse for some...oooooh noooooo's'they're starting to agree with St George!.... ....Hell, even the BBC's starting to shuffle toward the bail out hatch http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8299079.stm I did warn y'all a year or so back to get on the right side of the argument before you end up looking stupid. As for my political beliefs...Let me just say this..... There has been some significant research to suggest that peeps who tend to be led by logic tend to lean to the political right and peeps who tend to be led by their emotions ie the bleeding hearts and artists, tend to lean to the left.....Thats why you see so many drama queens falling for the media led 'Man made' global warming scam.

Hey...The 'science' happens to be on 'my' side!....And you're 100% correct, you're far better off putting resorces into planning for the inevitable, that being, what ever nature has in store for us next.....Sun Spots and volcano eruptions etc, are not going to be influenced by building windmills and arresting peeps for putting the wrong garbage in the wrong bins....No matter how much Gordie, the mythical 3000 and the eco profiteers stamp their feet about it.

Well to me, all the vehicles in the "What do you drive" thread look like girly cars...except for post's 111, 113 and 114...I guess its just a matter of perspective

More good news for common sense ahead of the Copenhagen sumit http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/15/world/asia/15prexy.html?_r=3 Looks like its going to be down to Britain and Spain the save the world all on their own now then...Good luck with that y'all.....20% unemployment in Spain along with the worst economy in Europe....That's what happens when you give a Socialist Government the keys to the windmill factory. ............................................................ BTW, anyone notice how quiet Saintfully has been, since being asked to clarify his "3000 scientist" comment?....No surprise there....fact is, he can't....Its just a fantasy figure branded around by the media, for the consumption of the dim and gullible.

Poor little Lambs...The (8-0) Saints are coming! http://www.neworleanssaints.com/Multimedia/Videos/2009/11/Saints%20Travel%20to%20St%20Louis%20for%20Showdown%20with%20Rams.aspx WHO DAT!

Why do you insist on referencing old and now outdated theories and opinions when the recent work at Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory has clearly blown the whole subject wide open? Hell, if peeps like you were around when Man invented the wheel, they'd have reshaped into a square!

How on earth can a reference and link to a recent scientific breakthrough be considered "trolling"?

This is quite incredible! I provided a link referencing an experiment carried out at Carnegie Institution's Geophysical Laboratory in July 2009 That has produced hydrocarbons by synthetically reproducing the temps and pressure present at the Earths Core, with No Organic material involved and you post a totally unrelated link to supposedly back up your argument! Then you reference an anonymous post on yahoo answers as if its gosple and even more incredibly, a link to a article you say debunks the experiment, despite the fact it was written 23 years before the experiment took place???? Then you follow up a link to some emotive clap trap and a educational piece suitable for 7th graders lol You're right about google though...anyone can use it....It's just that peeps who use it when they haven't a clue what they're talking about, end up looking stupid You've just put your self firmly in group '4', along with Verbal and one or two others on here.

just puting it out there .....But none the less, maybe not quite as Hokum as you may think.......I know the theory has been around a while and was fairly well thrown into touch a few years back...but are you aware of some of the very latest research?....this could very well be earning a place back on table some at some time in the future http://www.scientificblogging.com/news_articles/peak_oil_not_if_deep_earth_hydrocarbon_theory_true

Sure they are, although there's a fair bit of emerging research , that suggests that Oil may well be being produced from the Earths core at a near limitless rate...As a scientist, I'm sure you would have heard about it? However that's currently only theory and cant be relied on at this time.....So assuming fossil fuels as we know them are finite, I agree we need to move to sustainable energy sources at some time in the future. having said that, If we accept Man made global warming as the scam it is, we end up with a completely different road map for the transition to renewable energy. All the current panic and bull**** over Anthropogenic Global Warming is doing, is clouding the 'real' issues....The end result may well be the same, but the way to get there is completely different.

There ya go....Some peeps around here can loosen their grip on their comfy blankets a little now.....The Armageddon climate models have yet again been proven to be wrong .....http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6538300/Climate-change-study-shows-Earth-is-still-absorbing-carbon-dioxide.html Not 'One' Climate model has been able to accurately replicate the past 'or' the present and yet so many peeps are prepared to blindly accept that they can accurately represent the future.....Time to build some official places of worship for man made climate change...Would make the religion complete ...................................................................... BTW Saintfully...where did you get that figure of 3000 from?....care to elaborate?

I'll just add group four to this list 4/The dim and gullible who 'think' they understand because they've allowed themselves to be indoctrinated by the Left wing media, Gordie and his chums and the bed wetting bleeding hearts and fanatical eco zealots....Not to mention the peeps who have a huge financial vested interest....Like the Messiah himself. How many peeps here fell for this....http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/06/times_fishy_ad_abandoned/ and this.....http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/14/north_eastern_passage/....I know some here did, because i remember explaining it was bull**** at the time.....But no one was having any of it, because it was on the BBC...so it had to be true. Thankfully, it looks like us good 'ole 'mericans have managed to strike another blow for common sense, despite Chairman 'O's best efforts.....http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jqJmnNVzfiUOeSlVG4f8nQMbwQYQD9BJF6NG0 ........................................................................... Oh and Hypocondriac and Aint.....He was sacked for not carrying out his duties and continous critism of the way the company was managed....I'd have done the same if he'd worked for me....After sending him half way round the world on a aircraft to pick up a ball point pen of course.... Looks like the environmentalists are going to take over from the unions and put the final nail into British businesses......Still, there's plenty of room for those that can uproot in places like India, China and even here in the South (US)...We'll take them and let them conduct their business without interference.

So what you going to do about it ?

heh...take a look at the Falcons injury list after playing us on monday night....That's a Quater of their squad!.....Man, we really banged them up good Defensive end John Abraham (foot), defensive tackle Jonathan Babineaux (ankle), offensive tackle Sam Baker (ankle), receiver Brian Finneran (ankle), defensive tackle Thomas Johnson (calf), linebacker Curtis Lofton (knee/ankle), running back Jerious Norwood (hip), long-snapper Mike Schneck (ribs), running back Jason Snelling (hamstring), receiver Eric Weems (ankle), receiver Roddy White (knee) and tight end Keith Zinger (back) Saints had a bruised knee and a sprained ankle WHO DAT!

And the Saints go marching on and on and on! The 'Bless you boys' do it again ....Not the prettiest of wins, but division games are nearly always fought and won in the trenches, but the were more than up for it 7-0 and a 3 game lead in the NFC South ).....Bring on the kitty Cats next week.... Who Dat!

Well the Left got a good kicking over here yesterday, as the Country finally starts to wake up following its first little taste of socialism. The 2010 mid term elections are showing all the signs of being a bloodbath for the Dems, they're going to pay dearly for allowing their party to get high jacked by Chairman O, Pelosi and Co.....Bring it on http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/nyregion/05elect.html?_r=1&hp

Its not what the "UK" believes that matters in this instance...Its what the Judge who just set a precedent believes that counts.....and guess what?...even though its been reported in the Daily Mail...It 'really did' happen....If you could have been arsed to actually read the link you'd have seen that all on your own. This is going to be a cracker, along with the already hilarious "Human Rights Act"...Will be pulling up a chair and making my self comfy to watch the fall out from this one LOL

heh, so there ya go.....Like i always said, environmentalism, particularly in the UK is more like a religion than a science....and now its 'Official'...No surprise there then LMAO! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224961/Green-views-religion-environmentalist-wins-claim-sacked-beliefs.html