Hopper

The further we get from what happened the more I'm coming round to the idea he might stay. The sticking point for me is whether he has the players backing. If he has, and he is able to make a statement, hold his hands up and draw a line under eveything, it might just give us the seige mentallity we need to take into next season. Pressuring an Intern is the only part of what happened that I find completely indefensible and he should be sanctioned for it. If he does get banned it's out of our hands anyway. One thing is for sure the club need to say something... anything.

Feels like there are a lot of people clutching at straws to justify Tonda staying on because of the success we had with him. Maybe I'm misreading that.

There's a difference between standing up the club and standing up for the cheating fucks who put us in this position. That's where I stand.

There's no world where he hasn't completely lost the dressing room. There will be multiple players who had contract clauses and bonuses missed. The opportunity to play in the Premier League gone.

Problem with Dyche is it's fine when you're grinding out results but the minute the points dry up your just left with dull as dishwater football and very little patience. Been the same story as every club for him.

If the shoe was on the other foot and we thought or knew Boro were spying, you can be sure we'd have taken the same course of action they did. It's on us. We cheated we paid the price. Now get the fucks out who signed off on it and let's rebuild... again.

We've admitted to spying 3 times. You can be sure it happened many more than that.

Of course but anyone can be suspended, we're not even trying to look good 😂

So many stories circulating about Eckert in the press and he's still currently employed and first team manager, another wonderful PR job from Saints. At least suspend the man pending FA investigation if you want to wait for that so you don't have to pay him out.

This will pass and the club will move forward. If this is on Tonda (which at this point seems to be the case) I wouldn’t feel too much guilt about supporting the club. We need to show some balls and move quickly though or it’s gonna be a rough summer.

Need to up the CoT’s budget for espionage and travel.

That’s also somewhat mitigated by the appeal being upheld by a separate committee who clearly agreed with the first. There were checks and balances in place, if we didn’t get anywhere with the appeal we certainly wouldn’t have more luck going back for a third time.

Even if that were the case it doesn’t change anything. The narrative would just be that they had suspicions and laid a trap to catch us red handed. We’re still the guilty party. I'm not sure if people are trying to just balance the wrong doing in their own minds to feel better or what. Tonda fucked it. We pay the price. Get the man gone, can’t believe we’ve not sacked him yet.

What are we doing here? Tonda pressured interns to systemically spy on our opposition. Say what you want about the spying or the tactical advantage gained. The fact is we cheated multiple times and Tonda has probably played a big part in ruining the career of a young man. Those are the facts, the punishment is the punishment. We've appealed and lost. We can’t go to the court of arbitration in sport so the matter is done. Tonda and anyone involved needs to go, we can’t rebuild our reputation with them in post. anything else is just copium.

Was going to be 6 points but was reduced to 4 on mitigation of accepting the charges. So it did benefit us to admit to them. We were never getting away with it.

Maybe I'm being naive but I'm not sure that Tonda would throw his own reputation and career away to protect Spors.

Interesting that Spors was not named. If the FA don't turn up anything regarding his involvement I'd be happy for him to stay given his relative success with signings. (Will Still asside)

Would never work, the minute performances even remotely slipped everyone would be calling for his head.

I'd throw a bag at Ange. Didn't light the world on fire at Spurs (Who has) but did win a trophy. Blip at Forrest but otherwise tested and proven. Think he would bring the right level of stability and communication that we need. Not as boring as watching Dyche ball.

Tonda spent 2 years at Barnsley, I don't buy that he 'wasn't aware of the rule'. Regardless, the players aren't going to wan to play for him are they.

My dyslexic brain read you don't get to keep your wingers, which in the case of Scienza is probably true 😂

On the plus side no VAR next season 😂

If I were Dragan I'd be going scortched earth with the senior management team.

No it doesn't at all but it does make his position untenable sadly.

What's big Ange up to?