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Then there are tons of exceptions on my estate in Southampton, dune. Oddly enough, we knew pretty much every "family of colour" on that estate. Most of the kids from those families ended up marrying English people. Got quite a few friends from Cantell who also have roots in the Indian subcontinent. Many of them have married white kids too. Can't deny that there are areas where there are massive areas of single nationalities though, and if multiculturalism is a failure, that's where it's failing the most.

That's a load of sh*t mate. I say this as a relatively white bloke with a Pakistani grandfather.

We did. We could have insisted that the new Eastern European residents were prevented from living and working in Britain for seven years. We waived that option, probably because business wanted it and after seven years, you can't prevent it anyway. As for why Poles aren't living it up in Germany, historical enmity probably has a lot to do with that.

I like where our mutual mate lives - World's End

There's no denying he is amusing.

Dunno. Perhaps Lineker privately favours Golden Wonder Cheese and Onion. I know I do.

For the benefit of anyone who hasn't seen the tweets

I've spent the last week listening to "Portugal. The Man.". Anyone who has FIFA12 will probably be familiar with one of the tracks, this one in particular.

Blimey Tim. You really are getting personal now, mate. I think you need to get that checked out.

Why don't you read the Jimmy Corkhill piece, Alps? Massively critical of Barton and his family. Where did I get it? Funnily enough, from my Facebook feed - about 10 of my scouse mates have it linked. Still, since we're assigning labels based on the accident of birth, you must be a scumbag as you grew up on the Flower Roads estate. As must I.

Mr Jimmy Corkhill's blog. A good read most of the time. His piece on Joey Barton is amusing.

Definitely not PC, but you should probably check out:- http://robertlindsay.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/toryatlasoftheworld2.jpg From the Spitting Image book from way back in the 80s

Good article, Alps.

Put it up. As I said before, there's a big difference between the fictional views of a sitcom character and the working prejudices of people today.

I don't necessarily agree with all you say, lordswood - but I admire your no-nonsense approach to assigning geographical labels. Not sure my Weston-raised Dad would be entirely happy with the notion that he is a skate, or that Southampton City Council would be happy with this land you've just ceded to Pompey. That said, my fervent belief is that the best bit of Southampton is between the rivers - so you've got a bit of support here

To be fair, though - none of those disasters involved a police cover up afterward, nor the mendacities that followed. There is also a point to be made over whether complainants in any dispute have much say in whether their particular issue is made front and centre by the media. Lots of people have disputes. Is it really fair to judge the scousers as narkier because theirs make the news? Whichever way you slice this, you cannot lay this at the foot of the fans. No fan going that day knew that they were going to be involved in the events that followed or intended them to happen. Hillsborough and South Yorkshire police said they could handle the event. As it turned out, they couldn't. If I get admitted to an event where I pay on the door, I should have a reasonable expectation that my being there is not going to result in me or others dying. As should anyone. This is pretty much what Parliament, after many years of wasted time, unfounded accusations and manufactured ill-feeling, has decided.

You've made claims, you can't back them up and if anyone is doing the twisting here, I think it's you. As I have now said numerous times, no one is in any doubt that Liverpool FC fans were (surprisingly) factors in disasters involving Liverpool FC. On the subject of Hillsborough, for example. You are saying that those deaths were caused by fellow Liverpool FC fans. On a very physical and literal level, you're right. However, the greater failing was letting that many people into the stadium in the first place, that South Yorkshire police knew this, and through fabrication and leaking of the "scousers stealing from their own dead" story, demonised an entire city in an effort to save their own bacon. You're using a literal truth in isolation in a perverse attempt to prove your own point. If some noddy police force had filled a stadium full of Sotonians to crushing point, would you be on here know throwing about your literal truth that "Saints fans killed each other?". As to the sin of omission. Do you honestly expect anyone in a representative position ( who is that btw? Liverpool council leader? Liverpool FC? ) to make a public speech implicating Liverpudlians in the death of their own? You might be literally correct, but your posts show a marked lack of empathy and a great deal of naivety.

No it's not. You weighed back into this argument making the case that Liverpool fans had some part to play in their own misfortune. As far as I'm concerned, that point is uncontestable. Both games involved Liverpool fans, so it would be madness to suggest that the fans themselves were not a factor in those tragedies. The whole 'point' of you reminding us about of the involvement of the fans on those occasions was this:- So please - let's see the source material where the local paper, City Council and/or wider population of Liverpool are saying that Liverpool FC fans are free of all blame thus ( by implication ) playing the victim. It's your central claim, and you seem to be getting cross when people ask you for proof of it.

Can you link the articles where the local paper, the city council and the wider population of Liverpool claim that they have had no part in their misfortune in these events? I'm genuinely interested in seeing them.

Another anti-scouse thread? So soon? These things normally only come up every couple of months or so. Pitiful lack of material, boys. Funny. Apparently, scousers are a load of whinging b*stards. We now have two threads replete with whining southerners moaning about scousers. That's some good effort there, boys. I think you've really made your point.

I'd actually go further and say it's worth sponsoring the charity because of the individual

Stu does my teats in, but have sponsored him anyway.

I wonder if some of our more anonymous posters will be connecting with Facebook. Would be nice. Haven't seen seamy bedsits since I lived on Denzil Avenue.

With all these classy responses from some of our fellow southerners? All I'll say is that this thread was educational.

Some people don't like Chris Morris. He does push boundaries, and that means pushing buttons a lot of the time. Personally, I think we're lucky to have someone with such balls working in film and telly.