Saint_clark

I struggle with rescheduling as well, always feels like there should be another H.

Most places you can pay a higher deposit to be able to get a refund, although you won't get the deposit back obviously.

A suspended points deduction is clearly the middle ground and perfectly reasonable. Sets a precedent that if it happens during the regular season in the future the points are deducted there and then, and if it happens during the playoffs again it is suspended till the teams next season in the championship. Kicking us out of the playoffs is not only a gross overreaction that we should take legal action over, but also creates a problem in terms of precedent - what happens if a team does it mid season? Do they get automatically relegated? Banned from promotion? That's essentially what they're doing to us, banning us from promotion regardless of the on field results.

I think the truth is somewhere in between. From what we've read from people with insight into how analysts work, they assemble the data which is then presented to the manager/coaching team to use in preparation for the game. It isn't marked with "this was seen in training today" or "they did this in a game V Norwich". So the analyst department may be culpable as a whole but that doesn't necessarily mean the rest of the club were aware.

I refuse to believe football clubs would keep CCTV footage for that long, it takes up masses and masses of storage space. I work in a government building and we only keep ours for 2 months.

Exactly. Not sure why people are struggling to follow this. Unless they're just in denial about the fact something is clearly about to happen.

That would be a totally ridiculous punishment. As would removing us, but at least you can follow the logic.

Meaning today?

I think it's clear the "ticket sales must be announced at the same time" thing was a cover at this point.

The photo released wasn't a part of any business CCTV or records of payments. Look, they've been scummy throughout this but let's not try and pretend this is something it's not. That's exactly what they've been doing.

Isn't the business owned by Middlesbrough though? So they haven't released it they've just provided it to the EFL as part of the investigation.

I doubt it, I have a feeling they'll remain convinced of their victim status for a long time to come and hold a grudge against us for it.

So is it right that the EFL are making a decision today? If so, do we know when it's likely to be announced?

Yes, but the one photo released that supposedly shows him recording the first team isn't even at the first team training pitch.

As others have said it may be worth sending this to the club. Middlesbrough are being totally misleading about where this guy was.

Did Boro not even sell out their allocation? 😂

Christ you're still missing the point aren't you. Hull would be in breach of the rule if they didn't immediately report that happening to the EFL and to Boro.

Why does it matter whether the announcements are made at different times?

Not even slightly.

People need to stop bringing this up as if it matters. He wasn't a member of the public, he was a member of the Saints staff.

If we spend £200million cash on players then it becomes £200million of assets. The value of the club increases by £200million, that's the point.

Next time we play them I might stay there a few days before the game and hang around recording and making notes just to fuck with them.

I don't believe it'll happen but if they did decide to throw us out of the playoffs, what do we think Saints response would be in terms of legal action? That would cost us a hell of a lot.

I'd prefer the money be donated to charity. Maybe the Saints Foundation to properly wind up Boro.