Fan The Flames

You've obviously learnt about irony from Alanis Morissette, there is nothing ironic about someone commenting on your unnecessary angry tone. And you see conspiracies where there are none, my pointless forum name comes from my ****ed mate putting his arm around me one night saying 'Saints are on fire' and then shouting in my ear 'fan the flames'. I'm still convinced you and Weston are the same person, now that's irony.

Maybe it's the way you write rather than what you say that makes you appear so deranged. Your writing is so seething, not always expressed in the words, but there is a real apparent undercurrent of aggression and loathing. It appears that the Somerset sea air doesn't have a positive impact on your well being.

To be fair I've always assumed your were the same person, you appear to be the sort of weirdo that would have multiple log ins.

It's amazing how people are only prepared to hold to account the government's they don't support and blindly fall in line when it's their mob in the spotlight. Criticism of the government should be regarded as just being that, criticism of the government. It's completely childish to see it only as Tory bashing and to wilfully defend them at any costs, surley this is the opposite to our role as good citizens.

Boris' garrulous approach, which people once found refreshing, quickly wears thin when he floundering about. Apparently tory booing and clapping is going to save him, FFS. Any thing can be forensically scrutinised, I look forward to more sessions with The Barrister and The Buffoon.

A young colleague at my wife's work was knocked down and very sadly killed cycling to work, trying to avoid public transport last month. It was her first time she had attempted to cycle to work and this was when the roads were empty.

Boris used to talk about excess deaths, I assume hoping that this would reduce the impact of the covid death toll (with the assumption that some deaths would have happened normally), but now the excess deaths, according to ONS figures, are higher than the covid death rate he doesn't mention it anymore.

I would do time for those ****s in the photo booth talking about sunrises.

A small amount of people using the clipped version of covid; cov-id instead of the co-vid that the rest of the country uses.

Part of the problem was that the government set a review date for 7 May. Clearly when they set that date they were hoping to loosen the lockdown for VE day, which was a mistake really when you judge the length of time other countries have had to do their lockdowns for, this was never going to be able to happen. They should have set the review date for after the BH, but the papers (the ****ier ones) really haven't help, when I drove home from work yesterday where I live was busier and more normal thnn it has been all lockdown.

I wish people would check things out before posting stuff, it's obvious to anyone that traffic has fallen well below 90%. This took 2 minutes to find https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52461913

Standard stuff. The Chinese will always try to manage these things and this is the landscape an organisation like the EU has to operate in. https://euobserver.com/foreign/148236 Where is the Tory report telling us "the truth"?

The consortium will have to push on without him. GWS Ronny.

I think they would have used the 'stretching target' line, that they needed an ambitious target to successfully maximise the increase in delivery and I think that would have played out ok.

Most medical staff in normal times do not wear masks, masks are worn in theatres to protect patients with open wounds and healthcare staff from the patients body fluids potentially infecting them. There are studies that show that wearing masks may not be an important factor in the amount of wound infections, buy anyway they are worn in these settings. Dentists wear them because of the close proximity of their work and because it allows them to talk to the dental nurse and remain looking into the patients mouth. Most other departments won't wear masks as there are no open wounds so the risk (and outcome) is low. We don't normally seek to protect infecting each other with colds and flu and because we have vaccines for other airborne diseases like mumps and measles. So I think it is easy to overstate the usefulness of masks in normal times. In covid times medical staff are wearing masks to protect themselves mainly, but it will have the benefit of protecting other people as well, as medical staff may be pre-symptomatic and infectious. The type of mask used is related to their activity; nurses of covid wards will wear face shields and medical masks (FFP3 type) and so will anyone doing a aersol generating activity like cpr regardless if the patient is positive or not, whilst nursing staff in other departments like outpatients or x-ray will wear the less protective surgical masks. It would seem logical that wearing masks in covid times in public would be beneficial but the science is still split. It is believed that asymptomatic transmission is negligible so that can be ignored, but it will protect against pre-symptomatic transmission. This has to be weighed up against the increase in self infecting by touching your face more when wearing a mask (masks are uncomfortable and wearers adjust then a lot, remove them when no one is around and put back on when people appear) and from taking them off incorrectly. The window where people are pre-symptomatic and infectious is relatively short and the scientist believe the risk from this is equal to the risks of self infection from mask wearing. This doesn't seem to add up to me but they say the benefit is small enough not to warrant the wearing of them. The WHO advise against masks because they don't want masks destined for medical staff in poor countries to be diverted to rich countries shoppers and dog walkers. So maybe the benefit of wearing a mask against self infection is greater then stated but still less (on a world wide scale) than depriving poor countries medical staff, hence The WHO's position. So maybe countries are breaking ranks with The WHO position for their own local reasons and ignoring the world wide benefits. Or maybe it's a perception thing, because by asking people to wear a mask when coming out of lockdown might signal that there is a fight still to be won and this increases compliance with other measures like social distancing and hand washing. There is a belief that one of the reasons why a lot of Americans don't agree with the stay home rules is because they weren't asked to wear a mask in public, in a 'can it really be as bad as they are making out' way. As for your last point I don't understand because surgical masks are PPE.

Viral load, proximity, higher likelihood of positive cases, protection against aerosols. Just think about it for a minute - why are some scientists worried that mask wearing makes people more confident (i.e. less social distancing and less hand washing) and may attract symptomatic people to venture out. Surely it's because if you have the virus and wearing a mask you can still spread it. If you want to protect yourself then surely you have to wear an FFP3 mask and goggles, if you want to protect other people social distancing and hand washing appears to be as effective. I don't know the answer, I'm just talking around the subject.

This is what I don't get, I understand that wearing a mask is pointless to protect yourself without goggles so it's meant to protect others. But if someone has the virus (symptomatic or asymptomatic) then their breath is still exhausted beyond the mask, either around the edges of the mask or through the mask valve, so virus laden water droplets are still being dispersed in to the air inconveniently at eye level. Another reason why the WHO doesn't want to say you need to wear a mask in public is because this would most definitely divert mask supplies destined for medical teams in poor countries to shoppers and keep fitters in rich countries. The WHO advises on a global scale, so has a responsibility to all and besides if we are to combat covid we need to do it globally otherwise there remains reservoirs for the disease to survive and reinfection the world.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-52409765 Twins is Southampton die days apart, very very sad.

World at One Radio 4, Chris Mason's interview with Chen Wen of the Chinese embassy is very interesting; the Chinese contantly demand respect from the rest of the world. They are desperate to be seen as a progressive world stage player but this insecure need for approval and their constant management of the version of events just shows them up to be a backward authoritarian state. If they admit to any mistakes, they blame the local government (as previously explained on here by Shurlock), any other blame is fended off as racism. All you have to do is mention Hong Kong and democracy and they can't help but reveal their true colours. If you weren't listening to it at lunch time give it a go, it's worth a listen. What with this lot on one side, Trump on the other and all their little wannabes dotted around the world we are not in a very good place.

Shock news every time there is an election someone wins it and the Tories have won something like 9 post war elections, it's hardly backs against the wall stuff. Anyway as said they are party achievements, I'm looking for stuff that is beneficial to the electorate, people are struggling to think of anything.

Not a Brexit supporter but I'll give you brexit as he resolved the argument one way. It remains to be seen if it's beneficial, but that's an overdone argument. The other two don't count as they are just winning elections, they are only achievements for the Tories, what has he done that has a significant benefit for the country/London. Boris bikes, the Olympics, the cupboard is pretty bare.

Only to you because you are obsessed with hypocrisy. It's been the same for the ten years I've been on here, you talk about groups of people as though they are one; saints fans, labour supporters, police, whatever. Here's the deal they are different people acting differently; in this case different sets of police on different days, dealing with different situations and probably interpreting slightly vague guidance differently.

If you look at the second video there is hardly anyone there, just a little plug of people by the person filming it, not the big deal people are making it out to be.

Can't believe someone on here is arguing that a driver 250 miles from home isnt acting irresponsibly enough to not warrant a fine, yet think's old people with their grand kids are being irresponsible. Someone is having a Weston.

I wouldn't sneer too much the actual cabinet hardly has much gravitas, it's nothing like the heady days of Thatchers gang; two political lightweights in Chancellor and Foreigh Secretary, a fairly useless and totally unliked Home Secretary, a health secretary that no one had heard of before Corona, middling defence and education secretaries and then below that a bunch of top scores in Pointless. The only 'names' in Gove and Mogg are such ****s they couldn't be trusted with a proper role. All led by a bloke whose has achieved so little he has to pad his CV out with the London Olympics.