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No they are different. Savile didnt kill 14 protestors and bystanders. Oddly enough it weas the Saville equiry which said this: "The firing by soldiers of 1 PARA on Bloody Sunday caused the deaths of 13 people and injury to a similar number, none of whom was posing a threat of causing death or serious injury.....the immediate responsibility for the deaths and injuries on Bloody Sunday lies with those members of Support Company whose unjustifiable firing was the cause of those deaths and injuries" Contrary to the previously established belief, that none of the soldiers fired in response to attacks by petrol bombers or stone throwers, and that the civilians were not posing any threat.

Seriously?

Anyone can have an opinion. To be a polymath and comment with any authority on issues as diverse as the physiological effects of the radiation of the Van Allen belt, satellite tracking, geology of moon rock, Soviet - US geopolitics of the 1960s, material science in low gravity; lets say probably a bit more than a couple of A levels. The irony of it all is that you have missed the real killer punch. This is a young lad with an interest in selling films and space who, wait for it, is trying to raise $200m US to fund his own trip to the moon to prove the landing sites dont exist. Its perfect. So um, lunar space travel is possible then Jarrah for only 200m and they wont die in the Van allen belts? You've been suckered Pap by a commercial young man with a product to sell and an ambition to fund.

Pap this is ludicrous. Jarrah White's own webpage states he is still studying for his his BSc and his qualifications extend to a short film & tv course at a Technical college. Even he doesnt claim to know how the landings were faked or even whether the astronauts took off stayed in orbit and then came back or whether they stayed on the ground. Bit of fairly key info missing wouldnt you say? Your touchstone is a student who doesnt know how the fake was pulled off and offers some scenarios but no evidence. Thats it. Way to go.

But the bottom line is that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest the landings were faked. There is overwhelming proof they took place. Simply not having read or understood that proof isnt evidence of a hoax. Belief in conspiracies / coverups / UFOs etc is correlated to a specific psychological makeup rather than related to any factual basis. Its a trait, people who believe in one conspiracy tend to believe in many - regardless of different situations and facts. I think its interesting that belief in conspiracies by the powerful has grown as belief in religion and deities has declined. Its almost a faith issue and thats whats makes debating with adherents a nil sum game (im not necessarily lumping you in that category btw) Here is an interesting summary of the radiation issues facing lunar astronauts written by a NASA staffer. People, depending on their makeup, will likely either read it as an interesting piece of information or dismiss it as a hoax prop. http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/S2ch3.htm

I suspect its the debating style Pap. Most people in the lounge enjoy a good exchange of views and battling with evidence. Simple deflection and evasion and moving on to more questions isnt really engaging with the issues. Fact is there is the only 'evidence' that the moon landings are a fake is that some people think that it would have been technically possible to fake them. Thats it, nothing substantive - no eyewitnesses, no affidavits, just assertions about wires, sand instead of dust and radiation belts by people who dont have a basic physics degree between them. nothing. At its height 300,000 people worked on the Apollo missions. Its simply not possible that nearly all of them believed that what they were doing was genuine but they were duped by a tiny cadre who all kept the secret all these years. There is a mass of independent verification that the landings took place, much of it from sources not overly sympathetic to the US

Wouldnt you have to leave some time in November?

Its a très amusement play on the other meaning of 'boning' ie filleting. Alluding to you being a Dr Crippen figure, removing the bones from a body ie you like sex with invertebrates - octopi and Cheryl Cole when shes been boned. My how we laughed and how the joke improved once it had been explained and exposed to the harsh light of day. Next week quantum mechanics in three easy posts....

The Mayan calendar works on central american time, you'll be one of the last to go

That explains the invertebrate sex thread the other week.

Kin 'ell is that Cheryl Cole? Even I know who she is - Ashley's sister. Before we're friends again Pap I need to know whether you are a detail obessive sucked into the conspiracist world or one of TSW uber trolls. I like to know which kind of weird my friends are after it all went so badly with Jim and Gary.

Bit of a misnomer imo. Should be Terry Chocolate Orange Eyes.

Has she got tourettes?

I dont know if this medal is for the RN or for the merchant navy, ironically it was usually the volunteer merchant marine who suffered worse casualties but got little recognition. My dad was on three of the convoys on a merchant ship, the first when he was 15. Ive got a picture of him stood on the bow deck with the ship encrusted in foot thick ice behind him.

Who the **** is Geordie Chocolate Eyes? (and I havent even been anywhere)

Maybe the dog is retuning the radio for you.

These pics are pencil drawings by a Glasgow based artist. Its clearly amazing skill, technically difficult , but Im not sure they add anything that photography cant. I guess some some people value them, as they sell for up to £5,000 a time. http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-03/30/best-drawing/viewgallery#!image-number=3

Oh right, yeah i didnt read it properly. These two satellites werre up taking pics recently. No idea what level of detail. http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22210199/gravity-probes-built-colorado-crash-moons-surface

imo Im not sure there is much more to see or know about the Moon thats new or interesting to the general public. Mars however is a different proposition abnd with both private companies and governments looking at it I reckon it could be a possibility by 2020.

Doh. Good point. Journey planner is here, just untick tube. http://journeyplanner.tfl.gov.uk/user/XSLT_TRIP_REQUEST2?language=en

According to TFL you can catch the bus, route 211 from Waterloo to Munster / Dawes road (50 minutes) then walk to Craven Cottage (20 minutes)

Its the way language works. What starts off initially as a specific medical or legal definition of a condition moves into slang as as an insult - spastic, cripple, cretin, special needs etc. It will always happen no matter how many times the terms are changed. Personally I dont have a problem using any of the words in a situation where people mean it to be funny. I wouldnt use them at the MENCAP agm, thats a basic social skill. Posters on internet boards are a huge cross section of society and young blokes without ties and lucky families are always going to have different benchmarks than posters with disabled kids at home. Unlike conversations down the pub, I dont know how there can a foolproof way of allowing the funnies whilst filtering out the posts which set out to be gratuitously offensive or get a reaction.

The standards of some people. My good lady ex wife never had less than a bone dry one in all the time we were together.

Surely parody at its finest. I had no idea that moving to Leicester, Exeter or any one of 40 odd lg1 or championship clubs were all thast much closer to Hungary.

Can I just add that im offended by the term 'total fuc cking ar.se wipe' and it breaks my heart every time i tell someone on the muppet show that they are one. Perhaps some kind of euphemism might be kinder, some kind of implied 'special needs syndrome' for example?