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They started asking a while back... http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/4585-tavish-scott-orkney-and-shetland-could-secede-from-scotland http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/9156220/SNP-admits-Shetland-and-Orkney-could-opt-out-of-independent-Scotland.html

No, David Cameron & Co. Or Milliband and Co. in 2015.... Yikes...

I think a civil war might be the best option.... especially as the SNP have pledged not to use the nuclear weapons currently located in their territory....

And therein lies the main 'problem' with the choices on offer.... no one will know the terms of separation for certain until AFTER the referendum. The referendum is all about the Scots deciding if they want to go down the separation path in principle. If they win the 'yes' vote, then that simply gives the Scottish government the mandate to approach the UK government to negotiate the separation terms and conditions. So, whatever arrangement is pedalled during the campaign, there's no guarantee the UK government will agree to it, or visa versa. That said, its quite clear that Salmond wants a "cake and eat it" outcome....taking all the best bits and leaving all the bad.

http://petewishart.wordpress.com/2013/08/28/a-country-of-our-own/

I don't doubt that's their long term aim, but it's not what is on offer in the short term. I guess they "get away" with asking the question in the way they have as there's no timescale attached to it. Retaining sterling and dependence on the Bank of England, along with sticking with the UK welfare and pension systems and the retention of the Queen of head of state isn't exactly what I'd call "independent". Also, what happens if/when the next Scottish government voted for in 2016 is Labour, who are against breaking away?

I'd prefer a more inclusive referendum asking EVERYONE in the UK the same question: "Do you want to break up the United Kingdom?"

The referendum is asking the wrong question. The question is "Should Scotland be an independent country?" but it's not complete independence that is on offer. And why is it only the Scots that are being asked whether they want to break up the UK or not? Surely the rest of the UK should have a say too?

1. This decade so far 2. 1980s 3. 1990s 4. Noughties 5. 1970s

Genius!

At last, something we can agree on

So you don't think I should give up the day job then? (Rocket Scientist)

No, he's replacing JRod in my line-up vs Liverpool as I'd probably prefer JRod to Lambert if Osvaldo wasn't in the squad (as per my answer to your previous question). There will be other games where I'll prefer Osvaldo over Lambert and some games where I'll prefer Lambert over Osvaldo and other games where I'd play both.

Lambert or JRod. Probably JRod up top vs Liverpool and Lambert on the bench.

This. I don't recall many people calling for Rickie to be "dropped" indefinitely. If our next game was at home to Fulham (for example) then I'd probably have Lambert starting but I just feel away to Liverpool is the type of game where I'd hope to see Ramirez and Osvaldo working off each other well, with Rickie on the bench for impact if we're chasing the game in the second half.

Boruc Clyne - Fonte - Lovren - Shaw Wanyama - Schneiderlin JWP - Ramirez - Lallana Osvaldo Subs: Davis, Chambers, Yoshida, Cork, S.Davis, JRod, Lambert

Apologies if already posted but just noticed that the Echo ban from St Mary's was lifted today... @SimonPeach: Good to see the Southern Daily Echo boys back in the St Mary's press box.

@DejanLovren05: What can l tell you except that I'm disappointed. We had really a lot of opportunities,but the goalkeeper he saved every.

@Luke_shaw3: Just to clear the air , I'm not injured , I just had a little bit of cramp

This is the SaintsWeb Forum. We didn't win a game of football. What alternative reaction were you expecting?

Blimey...pragmatism on the SWF? Whatever next? Rolf Harris re-releasing Two Little Boys?