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Agree. But this is the Saintsweb Forum....where respecting other's views isn't mandatory.... ;-) IMHO, you raise a perfectly reasonable hypothesis in your OP. I've certainly steered my career in certain directions in order to cross paths with managers who I have respect for. But it does work both ways - some of the more "well known" managers in my industry can be pains to work for, so I try and steer clear of them. So, yes, the manager can certainly be a factor in career decision making (if indeed one is in a position of choice). As I say, a reasonable topic for discussion that inevitably falls foul of the debate police on here.

Unless we see the exact wording of said contract we'll never know how interpretable the "strong team" phrase is. I'm sure we'll be sending a "strong" U21 team. No doubt the SFC lawyers have got it covered one way or t'other. Perhaps it's not in the spirit of the agreement but lawyers have a way of squirming around potentially badly or vaguely written contracts...

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Ok.

Stop moaning about people moaning FFS! ;-)

Sshhhhhh.....please, no inconvenient truths on here thank you very much.

Indeed. I know I keep saying that none of this excuses the behaviour of the perpetrators, but the telcos couldn't really have made it any easier for the system to be cracked in the first place if they'd tried. As I say, if the banks had been this inept you can bet they would now be getting a load of flak.

How much? Cheers

I think they call it selective memory.

Well, if that's how they did it then the telcos are even more un-security conscious than even I thought they were. It simply highlights my point. There would be uproar if banks sent out debit or credit cards with default PINs yet the telcos see this as perfectly acceptable practice for their phone's voicemail. Issuing phones with random voicemail PINs would hardly be rocket science. Oh, it would cost them a few bob to administer, which is what it boils down to. As I say, none of this excuses the scum for exploiting such an obvious gap in security, but the stupidity of the telcos (and, it would seem, their governing body) is at best laughable and at worst commercially inept. If you bought a new car with a default key to unlock it, who would you shout at the loudest when it was stolen? The car manufacturer or the car thief? Astounding.

Not even some mild frottage?

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Cameron knew that Coulson had done this?

Yep, I know it's "easy" for anyone so inclined to break into "modern" computer environments but that doesn't mean that technology providers should throw in the towel and appear to leave open massive holes in their systems. Yes, technology solution providers are always playing catch up with the latest hacking techniques but having worked in banking IT most of my life you have to at least be seen to be trying to plug the obvious holes. Much in the same way that a shopkeeper will lock his doors and activate an alarm before he leaves the premises. Should he not do this because burglary is inevitable? A few years ago I worked on a project linking banking systems to telco systems (pay-as-you-go top up facility at ATMs) and was horrified at the relatively blase attitude the telcos had to transaction security compared to the banks.

I appreciate that my forthcoming question is in "that's not the point" territory but worth asking IMHO.... How were these journalists / PIs able to hack into people's phones in the first place? Working in the IT industry, I'm a little surprised that no-one has hauled the mobile phone companies over the coals for seemingly having such an insecure network infrastructure. If there was adequate security measures in place then these scum wouldn't be able to hack into them in the first place...

If 'Corporate Ho' is making up ITK posts on the main board, can some please explain how I'm supposed to tell this apart from 99% of all the other ITK stuff that turns out to be complete and utter drivel too...? ;-) The words 'needle' and 'haystack' spring to mind. Still, you know what they say about simple things pleasing simple minds...

Make of that what you will

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The thing that surprises me most is how surprised people are at how tabloid newspapers get their stories... (And, no Mr V, that's not me casting an opinion that their methods are 'ok'....just a small observation on human kind....)

Not guilty m'lud. Not a banker, never have been. Unless that's a typo of course.... ;-) Agree. Which is why it was a jolly good job I wasn't casting an opinion on such matters, nor "blaming politicians" in my post. I was simply reflecting what I perceive to be inconsistent logic on the part of Mr Milliband. Agree. In the same way politicians (of all colours) were "responsible" for allowing the banking "culture" to carry on regardless. But, yes, going off topic so happy to park the tangental discussion for this thread.

Ah....there's my answer....

Or....the creditors weren't very bright....?

Would you like Frys with that sir?

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