Matthew Le God

Technically he isn't, because he is deeper than the goalkeeper.

Like this... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vK0Xw9bpFL0

Who's looking forward to starting a new Southampton save with the next update?

Arguably it was 7... Boruc, Chambers, Fonte, Lovren, Schneiderlin, Cork and Rodriguez.

Did the same not apply in the summer of 2013?

Playing for Saints won't stop him playing for England... Shaw has apparently been penciled in for a England senior team debut vs Denmark aged 18 whilst at Saints... http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/feb/12/roy-hodgson-ashley-cole-england-future http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2557906/England-Luke-future-Shaw-set-place-Roys-squad-against-Denmark-spell-end-Cole.html http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/englands-world-cup-2014-ashley-3138975?

He has a playing contract with us until 2016, why would he give that up to become just a goalkeeper coach? Plus we already have 1st team, development team and youth team goalkeeper coaches.

To describe that negatively as cost cutting is bizarre. The players that left were surplus to the first team squad and them leaving didn't weaken our squad strength, the only departure that did was Osvaldo and he left due to non footballing reasons (and is still technically a Saints player). It is cost cutting, but it potentially frees up money to be better spent elsewhere on players that improve the first team in the summer.

Key part of my post which you have overlooked was... "unless it provides good citation". If a wikipedia article links each point to a reliable source, then I have no problem with it.

On the St Mary's stadium wikipedia page for many years was a sentance that the awarding of the Rugby World Cup would help fund an expansion, which is nonsense.

Wikipedia is one of the least reliable websites in the world (unless it provides good citation) as it can be edited by anyone on the planet. I could within seconds if I wished list BristolSaint as the Southampton goalkeeper on Southampton's wikipedia page.

Is 859 actually that poor when you take into account...? - you had to leave Hampshire in the very early hours of the 14th/15th February - it is a 630 mile round trip for a lunchtime kickoff - the country is hit badly by storms and transport network affected - it was live on TV I think when you consider all of that combined and not in isolation, then it isn't that bad an away following given the circumstances.

Even if they were that wouldn't mean the draw would automatically happen the same way. The events of the previous 24 hours would be different in both scenarios so the balls would be in different places after stirring each time and would lead to people taking out different balls.

The are connected because the people that put the balls in the bag, put the balls in the bowl, stir the balls and picked out the balls had a different 24 hours prior to the draw in the two scenarios of Sunderland winning or Saints winning. Do you not agree that in my extreme broken example the outcome would have been different if Rob Lee couldn't grasp the balls in the same way had his figure been okay?

This is a far more extreme versions than actually events, but is to explain a concept and why you are fundamentally wrong to say these things are predetermined. Lets say former Newcastle player Rob Lee really wanted Sunderland to lose. When Lallana hit in the winning goal he celebrated wildly and trapped his finger and broke it. He went to hospital and had two fingers strapped together. That is clearly going to effect how he puts the balls in the bag and selects them compared to if Sunderland won and his hand was okay. He would pick different balls in each scenario. A lesser version of that actually happened, but the broken finger tale was to illustrate the point more clearly.

Yes they are, and no you hadn't. The lottery ball all start in seemingly the same location, yet it is human influence that positions them and starts the draw. The lives of those that have an influence on the balls in the draw will influence how the balls are positioned and which are drawn. Similar applies to a football cup draw.

Not to answering either of the questions I asked you.

You do realise that is what my point is, and it is explained by the butterfly effect. So why were you arguing against me when you've said to Glasgow you agree with me?

You didn't answer the two questions.

Because different factors change the placement of the lottery balls meaning you get a different outcome even if the situation looks the same each week. The same applies to a cup draw, the person putting the balls in the bowl, stirring them and picking them out would use different hand movements if they have experienced different things in the previous 24 hours.

Why aren't the lottery numbers the same every week? If you stir a bowl full of balls without being able to see them will you position them in exactly the same position and then pick the same balls in the same order even if the 24 hours prior to that moment have been different for you?

- David Icke proposes lizards are ruling the world. - I (and every major university in the world) can see that seemingly small and trivial events can have big knock on effects. Big difference between the two!

Which helps prove my point! Cheers!

You said it "wasn't accepted", I've told you it is taught in every major university maths department in the world. Does that not show it is accepted? You haven't raised any flaws in chaos theory or the butterfly effect. Why not? We are discussing differences of the draw outcome if Saints won or lost, so of course it is a "what if" situation. You have still failed to offer anything remotely close to dismissing chaos theory and the butterfly effect.

You have a common misunderstanding of what a "theory" is, its not a guess that you can easily dismiss. A theory in science is the best answer given all of the available current evidence. The theory of gravity and theory of evolution aren't guesses, they are the best explanation given the current evidence in the academic community. A bullet can either hit or miss. If your grandfather was killed aged 20 in a war, it is impossible for you to be born, have kids and for those kids to interact with people. One alternative is the bullet misses, you are born and have kids. It isn't a guess that is the case, I don't see how you can construct a counter to it and you have failed to do so up until this point.