Guan 2.0

More like JUS HOOFIT amirite? (p.s. I don't know if I'm right. But if he signs I hope he does well).

Ok Wade, I'll bite. Here is what I said, word for word. I've highlighted the same bits again, just to make it far more obvious, notice how I differentiate the city and docks just like in the original post, and in my reply to you. Or in the posts where I laid out the links to attractions in both cities. Or the photo's of both cities. Or most anything I've written on this thread. We are talking about several different things. As I said earlier, I'm talking about ways to attract people in to southampton not just from a cruise, not something based dockside. One company (itself cruise based) won't make a difference. Will people go to the Carnival offices if they visit the city before or after their cruise? No. So why mention it in the context i had laid out? What would you recommend to someone as a good day out in southampton, honestly? Excluding Southampton FC. Not saying there isn't anything, but what there is is barely promoted, and hardly A grade. As I pointed out earlier, Soton hasn't even steered seraches on google to the right pages (engineering results is pretty basic. Most people with basic knoweldge of computing could pick it up easy, and any post grad with PR training should know how). It could be a two week internship task. Wouldn't cost a penny. But again, a pattern of joined up thinking/planning would be required! Oh and Soton pages are And even dockside/cruise sites don't enter the public imagination in the same way as the (non industrial) Albert Dock. Oh and thanks for the lesson on grants and private investment, I could of saved myself 3 years and a BA learning all about that crazy stuff, including aforementioned stints in Westminster/Whitehall. But Hampshire as a whole had (in 2009/2010) a very poor attitude to putting together bids. Seriously, some of the stuff (alledgedly I spoke to people who had seen the bids, I didn't see them myself) looked like something of a secondary school clipart tutorial And yes my father is now an exec at DP world, after being head hunted for his work with ABP and then SCT. But believe it or don't. Oh, and to the Spyinthesky, he thinks if DP world do renew beyond 2020, they will it on far more favourable terms to themselves, as they have not seen the profits they anticipated. I hope Liverpool gets the Cruise work (with 20 year repayment plan for the grants), and Southampton council wakes up to the fact that Southampton is a ****hole, they need to improve the city, attract new investment, and not just rely on the fact that southampton is near somewhere nice (The New Forest). Southampton has attracted considerable investment in its port and cruise businesses over the last few years. Carnival have set up a massive office in the City, and the container port was taken over a few years ago by middle-eastern investors, and is shortly to be extended. We didn't get grants, and the investment has been funded privately. I think you are a bit ignorant of the facts. Even my friend who worked for Mosaic turned done a job offer down here, because it's known that whilst Southampton will occasionaly bluster about a WOW factor, they will hardly ever put together a bid worth the lined paper it's written on. If you want to get angry at someone, get angry at Southampton's leaders. Liverpool is doing the best it can for the region. Southampton cannot say the same. Oh, and there should have been more backing for Dibden Bay. Just saying. http://www.sefs.org.uk/category/dibden-bay/

As part of my course (Politics and Pr at University of Liverpool), I went on parliamentary placement and a placement in whitehall. Whilst there I learnt that local Goverment and organisations in Hampshire, not just Southampton, have a very questionable attitude whe it comes to grants and funds. Which is why devon and cornawall, who are the number one subsidised area in the country, are known for their excellent campaigns, whereas our region still (largely) has a 'Powerpoint and Phonecall attitude'. A bit like a post-war cash poor land rich widow who can't admit she needs help!

Which means that Southampton is screwed. It can't even do it from a distance. Oh Stanley, I'd point out the whole capital of culture thing, or indeed direct you towards the contrast in results for a simple google result (visit Southampton and Visit Liverpool): 1st Result: http://www.visitliverpool.com/ 3rd Result: http://liverpool.gov.uk/leisure-parks-and-events/information-for-tourists/cruise-visits-to-liverpool/ 1st result: http://www.visit-southampton.co.uk/ I couldn't see any cruise ship links on the first page! Very lazy doesn't take a lot to engineer search results. (waits for sarcastic/unintrested reply). But I know you're just a loveable troll. Like an old small, yapping dog, who people don't pet because it will just fart on them. Toodles.

Umm, my father is an executive at DP world, and I am kept well up to date with developments at the docks and the cruise terminal. Thanks for assuming though. Go back and re read my post you'll see I very specifically said they need to improve the city, attract new investement, and not just rely on the fact that southampton is near somewhere nice (The New Forest) Notice I said city, and not cruise terminal/docks. I think you are a bit ignorant of the facts. It's possibly why I'm so angry at the Nimby posers who shut down the Dibden bay project (and campaigned for the jobs and improvements to go to Felixstowe, lets not forget!)

Indeed. And as he says, "we don't get too high when we win, and we don't get too down if we lose". Right way to go about it. Also he sounds more positive than most managers. Oh, and my favourite text of the day to solent "Right, we've lost a game - Adkins out!"

Completely agree. Doesn't single out individuals too much in victory or defeat, takes his own share for the blame, refuses to air our business in public. Now contrast that with this saggy chopped individual: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/14702987.stm Refuses any blame, ignores the facts to claim that both sides were evenly matched, claimed they haven't bought anyone in the last 2 years, dicusses not only players (crouch and modric), but the fees and clubs they are going to. No thought for supporters. Oh, and dismisses as rubbish the players he doesn't want.

t's funny, there wasn't this much support for dibden bay from certain sections in Hampshire, despite the fact that a) ABP owned it, and b) it was bought in the 60's with the sole intention of development. The company points out that Dibden Bay was bought by its nationalised predecessor, the British Transport Docks Board, in 1967 with the express purpose of providing reserve dock capacity for Southampton, and the site itself is not forest but land that has been reclaimed from Southampton Water over several decades. It says the new port will provide 1,700 permanent jobs, quite apart from hundreds more jobs stemming from the construction I hope Liverpool gets the Cruise work (with 20 year repayment plan for the grants), and Southampton council wakes up to the fact that Southampton is a ****hole, they need to improve the city, attract new investement, and not just rely on the fact that southampton is near somewhere nice (The New Forest).

Great Interview. Unlike other bosses who focus on how miserable a defeat makes them, Adkins 'gets' the fact that it means a lot to win, lose or draw for thousands of people, even those who can't get to games. http://audioboo.fm/boos/452143-nigel-adkins-speaks-to-bbc-radio-solent-after-saints-first-loss-of-the-season-to-leicester-city

A lot of these people have trust issues

Did anybody hear Adkins on solent. Came across very well, talking about supporters home and away, and an 87 year old who wrote to him this week!

Reading sign le Fondre. Are they sneaking peeks at our shopping list? 3-1 to us today.

Let's be honest, we all know why it's annoyed us. As much as he's disliked around here right now, Warnock made the point how he couldn't beleive how Portsmouth were outbidding QPR in terms of wages and fees when they were pleading poverty and in financial peril last year. Looking at west ham, it seems they never learn: 2009: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/apr/17/west-ham-united-iceland-banks-zola 2010: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/w/west_ham_utd/8544520.stm 2011: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Relegation-will-push-West-Ham-s-debt-past-100m-says-finance-expert-article736972.html I fully support NA and NC, and I as annoying as being outbid is, I hope West Ham fail in their promotion bid, implode, and we pick up any decent offerings on the cheap!

Nutshell. The only way they should be able to finance this move is if they're selling a 'big' name. Maybe parker to Tottenham, leaving a void alongside Nolan. As MOsaint says, silly money brinkmanship would not only destroy our wage structure, but also our team spirit, IMHO.

Maybe part of the reported fee is to cover dickson's wages?

Or mention the Liverpool Skyline over the Mersey:

Meh, but happy to be proven wrong.

It's the guys that want to fight risking the safety of families and real fans. HTH.

Poor Police can't win. Admittedly a strange decision not to hold back the millwall fans, but at the same time, Saints fans did not help, obviously goading millwall fans as much as possible. BTW, it's not 'Part and parcel of real football, it's the pastime of ****s in the 70's. Of course, if Police go the other way with barriers and arrests, the reaction is always something more akin to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCKtfdVqK7c

How would you have 'sorted it', against several Millwall fans? Asked them to give your family first aid? Demanded reparations? Or do you think something less savoury would have ensued? Top marks to the PCSO, i think.

But what barrrrrrrrrgaaaaainnnnns are to be had in poundland?

Chris-Chan in disguise! Love the 'professional' title screen, followed by Dr mongtopus dribbling at the camera.

Avoid

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14547088 "And, crucially, there was nothing to look at - nothing to even slightly tempt the eye. The new landscape wasn't concerned about the visual. Or if it was, the visual was only important inside in the atrium where the escalators led to the food court. All you could see was a seemingly endless straggle of gigantic, windswept surface car parks, multi-storey car parks clad in brick and given pitched roofs in case anyone thought they were modern, huge windowless sheds. One with a giant sign on reading "LEISURE WORLD"." Owen Hatherley (born 24 July 1981 in Southampton, UK) is a British writer and journalist based in London who writes primarily on architecture, politics and culture. He would appear to agree with you.

72:22 Booking Marcos Painter receives a yellow card. 72:03 Free kick awarded for an unfair challenge on Rudy Gestede by Marcos Painter. 70:37 Booking The referee cautions Casper Ankergren for time wasting. Lovely team, lovely style.