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yes but at the point of the CVA vote 2p or nothing is the only option they have to vote on. I don't know how quickly these things can be redone? If the vote is against 2p on the day how soon before an offer of 3p can be made and voted on?

You have to add into that the practice of the UK in not to extraditing people unless they have assurances that they will not face a death penalty and that any extradition from sweden would have to be approved by the UK as we agreed to the extradition to sweden. So either they bundle him into a van and face international condemnation or they have to negotiate with both sweden and the UK for his extradition the the US with agreement he would not face the death penalty.

Sorry but its statement like "They will co-operate again" that get me. How do you know, the answer is you do not. the swedes may have been involved in the rendition of people the general public have never heard of (name me 1 person they were involved in the rendition of that most people will know) but the removal of such a high profile person such as assange without due process is, in my opinion, incredibly unlikely.

I am reasonably concerned about it but I think that developing a paranoia about it is counter productive.

I was pointing out there is a large gap between asking for a government to do something and them actually doing it. Monsanto asked but all that happened was some options were drawn up but never, as far as I know, enacted.

There is no guarantee that pompey will start acting in a moral manner but its incredibly unlikely. Similarly once assange is extradited to Sweden he is not going to disappear of the radar and its highly unlikely the US would whisk him away just because he is at a higher latitude.

I could ask the government to punish pompey does not mean they have to do something about it. As to the monsato thing in the days of bush some plans were drawn up based on monsato's request but there is not indication that it went any further. Genetically modified crops are being grown yes but to link that with monsato's request is a large leap. As to being guarded that's because too much environmental protest appears to have been directed at GM crops. I am sure if any banker had been charged with sexual assualt in another country he would be extradited with probably more ease that assange.

My opinion is that there are a lot of people out there who are near paranoid about governments and big business and that they are being manipulated by people such as Assange to do their dirty work. These are people who have decided, often a worrying step, that they are somehow above the law and rely on their opinion of what is right or wrong without looking at evidence. If people like 'Anonymous' in real life went into companies and attacked their computers with hammers they would be classed as nutters but somehow the anonymity of the internet makes them think they are hero's. Who voted for these people to decide what is right or wrong, not me.

On the subject of assumptions that blogger is a she not a he.

Having now seen it it probably was not worth getting too excited over. Its quite fun but its a solid 6/10 to 7/10 film, not anything higher.

Interesting read: http://www.fleetstreetfox.com/2012/06/very-naughty-boy.html

Yes but I don't think they can or will go round all the creditors they represent to get an indication which way to vote. Clapham (or one of the many who know better than I), I believe, said they are duty bound to select the option that give the 'best' deal for the creditors and even though 2p is close to nothing it is still something.

If the US have a warrant for him why did they not apply to the UK government? Also as I said above it would be highly unlikely that sweden would extradite him to the US until after he has faced the legal system there. To many it appears he is using many peoples near paranoia about governments and big business to help him get out of what would in the case of anyone else be a legal extradition that would have been sorted ages ago.

I see some of his supporters are saying he did this as he obviously thought he would not get a fair trial in sweden. I think he did it because he is scared he will get a fair trial in sweden.

As I have said before I believe Chainrai has a large enough percentage to block another CVA but not enough to pass his proposed one by himself as there needs to be two votes if I remember correctly, one of which, the unsecured creditors, he will only be 'represented' by AA's vote for the russian loan.

Most of the creditors will vote for it and will be too embaressed to say anything. Baker Tilley will vote for it and say that are dissapointed given the fraction the original creditors were on to start with but they are duty bound to support the best option for the creditors and liquidation would bring them nothing. HMRC will vote against and have a moan at the courts decision on football creditors rule.

Maybe they should also include a clock counting time since they last paid a creditor?

What's the betting that all of the options the fan is given to choose between will relate to money the club would have had to have spent anyway?

Also interesting that by doing what he has done he may forfeit the £200,000 bail his supporters paid to keep him out of jail while he appealed against everything possible. Apparently he has raised £180,000 in a defence fund but I have a sneaking suspicion it may not end up being used to recompense those that paid his bail.

You can be fairly sure that Sweden will insist he is questioned and possibly tried in the sweden before they consider passing him on the the US. Even if this hidden indictment thing is an extradition REQUEST it would not override the current investigation in sweden,

The main thing against this 'Sweden with extradite him to the US' conspiracy theory is that it would be a lot easier if the US just tried to have him extradited from the UK in the first place. As it is he can't be extradited from Sweden to the US unless the UK approve anyway.

Just when I thought we might finally be rid of him he has gone to the Ecuadorian embassy and asked for political asylum! Obviously very confident in his declared innocence!

Trevor Birch, known to his friends as Idi

Drastically difference results between that site and speedtest.net. That site says 14Mb download, speadtest.net says 82.31 (should be 100 and has tested as such but son online at moment as well).

So this is football creditor money that would be owed in addition to the calculation in the CVA proposal (Why was this not included in those calculations, it is obviously football creditors?). In that case even if they get it reduced to a third of its current value that means the football creditors effectively wipe out all the parachute payments remaining.