The Kraken

Here's a non Photoshopped version; Chris from Soccer AM. Looks even worse. And the stuck on logo is laughably poor :lol:

I think overall they do a good job considering the restrictions they're under. They have an average daily sales figure of 31,000, with an estimated 80,000 people reading the paper every day. Compared to www.saintsfc.co.uk's unique daily visitor figures of 8,000. So there is a relatively huge market of either Saints fans or general supporters with a passing interest who won't have visited the OS and yet who quite probably want to read about Saints (my mum and dad get the Echo every day, neither actively support Saints yet they'll always have a read through the sports section). While I do find some of their reporting a bit poor I think the overall content is pretty decent; especially for the traget audience. And often find the constant Echo bashing on here a bit embarrassing and needless.

Don't be silly DD; ask any football fan around the country what kit Saints normally play in and you'll be hard pushed to find someone who doesn't know the right answer.

Who said they can't? They just don't. The Echo's readership is not the same as SFC's target audience. And there are plenty of Saints fans or supporters who don't read the OS or internet boards every day.

Then consider yourself fortunate for it was awful. The worst thing about that kit is that it coincided with MLT in his prime and so a large number of his goals were scored wearing that monstrosity.

Oh I did notice that the left hand side of the picture is all very PC, showing SFC's inclusive policy towards asians, blacks and baldies.

Do you not remember the Pony tick? And the blue away version of it. Christ, I'd venture those were two of the worst kits ever in football, let alone for us.

Where is Dean Hammond? I know he's no Brad Pitt but he's the skipper at least; I thought he might have been given some prominence at the front of the pic.

Don't mind the shirt too much, the red shorts and socks don't work IMO. The away kit would look quite classy if it weren't for the fact that it completes the whole Liverpool theme. Anyone think Cortese might have been a Liverpool fan growing up?

Christ, this place is going to go into meltdown in about 43 minutes.

Season tickets came out last month. I think Saints might be seriously damaging your health.

Are you sick from the anticipation of it all? I refuse to believe this is just a common cold.

Ha ha. Though I do sometimes feel a bit sorry for the Echo and the stick they get. They have a substantial readership who don't visit the OS, don't come on message boards, and yet still want to read daily Saints-related news. The football club refuse to deal with the Echo, they don't get any access to interviews, soundbites or leaked news reports, and I think they are still not allowed press access to the ground on a matchday. So they have to fill the back pages every day with information they can glean from the OS, news and gossip gleaned from other club sites and message boards, and opinion pieces from "fans representatives" like SISA and the Saints Trust (where they let themselves down IMO). With that in mind it's kind of natural that they'll too often have to get by with non-stories and space filler, as (for their readership) that is much better than no reporting at all.

That's the most likely choice. If it's not complete horse-sh*t in the first place, of course.

A brand new poster has just popped up on TUI, creating a thread called: Just passing it on.....

So, you've said you're fed up with stripes. You don't like the new kit. And that the sash wouldn't work with a sponsor. Yet you still want something that reflects our history. That really only leaves the quarters, which when we rolled out at The Dell looked f*cking awful IMO. With that in mind, is there a potential kit design you'd actually approve of? Personally, I'll wait and see what the new one is like before commenting, but the mock up on here of the 1980s Rank Xerox one would have been a classic.

Hang on, what? We're not going to be playing in stripes?

As I said; it appears we may not have offered £6M at all, and its a leak from Brum to try and get the price high.

Being as the story seems to now be that we might have baulked at £6m, I'm not sure if it offers any more insight than we previously had. I still think it'll be a total of £15M - £20M by the time the window shuts.

If the clubs have been instrumental in pushing through this whole programme, then they will have been instrumental in setting the benchmarks of it. So it's a pretty good guess that those benchmarks will have been made by analysing what they have done in previous years in terms of bringing players through and making sure that that sort of level of graduation comfortably surpasses the new regs. Which will therefore likely mean Carling cup appearances or whatever to tick the boxes that they themselves have helped to write in the first place.

Have they? Have they really? It seems Simon Peach's latest comments suggest that's the exact opposite of what they've done.

I meant actually seeing it in real life; rather than just as a planning design. Will be rather impressive when its all done.

What's the expected completion date of the training ground? Will certainly be interesting to see the extent of the changes.

IMO a sponsor on the front would completely ruin the sash. I'm happy for the sash to remain a classic and timeless kit.

I didn't comment at the time you were considering trying this, as I didn't want my comment to come across as insensitive. But to be honest I really thought you wouldn't have any chance. Much credit to the club for allowing it; and I hope you enjoy the seat with a lasting memory of your sister.