Sheaf Saint

That article is from 29th December

Erm, in case you hadn't noticed dune, our government has been 'taking action' against radical Islam ever since we invaded Afghanistan nearly a decade ago. And the consequence of that action is that we now have a lot more radicals on our streets than we did before the invasion, because the war/occupation/oppression (whatever you want to call it) is the best possible recruitment tool that the radical clerics could wish for.

And how exactly is 15,000 anonymous thugs wearing hoods and balaclavas marching through a town with a huge muslim population going to stop it dune? What possible good will it do? How many of the militants in those pictures are going to turn their backs on their beliefs as a result of the EDL's actions?

Fed up with what?

But it is not mainstream Islam (the Sunni and Shia sects) that produce the extremists. The form of extremism that is preached in the madrassas of Pakistan and Afghanistan stems from the Saudi-originated Wahabi sect. Fair enough, you might be able to interpret the Koran in particular ways, as they have, to twist it to fit this extremist view, but the truth is that the huge majority of muslims don't interpret it this way. I can't believe I am actually defending a religion here, because my personal belief is that all theistic religions are a load of old superstitious nonsense that were dreamed up as a way of explaining the unexplainable and perpetuated as a form of population control by those with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. But there is a widespread belief that Islam is inherently evil, whereas in fact it is no more evil or oppressive that Christianity or Judaism.

So are you suggesting that the EDL don't need to provide this education as UKIP do it for them dune? Does that not prove, then, that the EDL's sole purpose is simply to organise these inflammatory marches?

There is an awful lot of stuff in the Old Testament that makes it clear that things such as oppression, slavery, even murdering your own parents if they don't believe in the cause, are all perfectly OK and are God's will. Ancient religious texts can be interpreted in so many different ways, especially if you don't take the stories literally and believe they are only metaphors. It's interesting what SG's friend said about the New Testament being written many years after the events and being altered to suit the agenda of those in power, but the Koran is no different. It is supposed to be the literal and unalterable word of God, yet it was 'revealed' to an illiterate paedophile who had no means of writing down his revelation.

Sorry, I would have thought that someone who obviously believes very strongly in their cause would have that knowledge memorised really. Or perhaps they just don't have any other initiatives at all other than violent marches, which might give you some idea why the vast majority of people who are against the position of Islamic extremism choose not to get involved.

Once again you have completely failed to address the main point of my question. You're really good at this dune, perhaps you should run for parliament. Section 3 of the EDL mission statement that you posted in post #11 states that their main concern is to educate the public about the dangers of radical Islam. All I want to know is how they intend to go about spreading this education. Their mission statement does not go into any details about it, but surely someone who has as much support for them as you do can answer that? Surely?

I hate to come over all Paxman-esque on you dune, but this is now the fourth time of asking... If, as you claim, the EDL is a non-racist, non-violent organisation whose goal is to educate the public about the dangers of islamic extremism, what initiatives do they have running, other than marches which unfailingly result in violent clashes, to get across this education?

Such as???

The two scenarios are completely different Delldays. The whole point of the recent student protests was to make the government aware of just how strongly they felt about the new policies. It was never actually going to influence the government's decision, and I do not in any way condone the violence and vandalism that occurred on these marches, but they have the right to protest about government policy. If you try to apply the same reasoning to the EDL marches then it just makes no sense. For one thing, Islamic extremism is not a government policy (not that I'm aware of anyway). Marching against Islamic extremists just to show them how much their ideas are disliked? Do you really think for one second that radical muslims are going to see the TV footage of one of their marches and think "Oooh, you know what - they're right! I think I'm going to cancel my plans to blow myself up because these kind-hearted people have shown me the error of my ways!"? Do me a favour. What's far more likely is they will see these idiots wearing balaclavas and proudly displaying the Israeli flag and they will actually become more angry and more determined to carry out whatever Jihadist plans they may have. And dune, please don't try and tell me they only display the Star of David 'to prove they are not anti-semitic'. Even someone as narrow-minded and myopic as you cannot seriously believe that can you? Its purpose is to provoke and you know that damn well.

What good is marching through the streets of Britain with a bunch of thugs though dune? What is it actually going to achieve? As far as I know, there is nobody on this forum who actually supports the position of Islamic extremists (at least, I hope there isn't) but I fail to see how going on a march alongside a group of people with criminal records for violence is going to make the slightest bit of difference. As I said earlier, the marches (just like the planned marches by Islam4UK etc...) are intended purely for provocation and are totally counter-productive IMO. So I will ask for a third time... If the EDL really are a non-racist organisation whose goal is to educate the public about the dangers of radical Islam, what other initiatives do they have in place to convey this education?

I'm sorry you don't appreciate the irony of an anonymous man wearing a white hood proclaiming to be non-racist.

Will you be answering my question any time soon? Or will you continue to avoid it like you did when I asked you about David Cameron's environmental policies?

So I'll ask you once again, although you appear to show a politician-like skill for ducking difficult questions that you can't answer... What initiatives, other than pointless marches for the sake of provocation, are the EDL taking to 'stand up against extremism' and educate the public about it?

Are you for real dune? Seriously? You post a video of a man in white hood, who clearly does not want to be identified, claiming that his organisation is non-racist, and you expect people to agree with you? Sheesh! Edit: I notice he uses the word 'hate' a few times during that interview. Doesn't that give you a good idea why people aren't falling over themselves to support these people?

So tell me dune... Other than organising marches which invariably result in violence, what measures are the EDL taking to educate the public about the dangers of radical Islam? Are they working with local communities to engage with young muslims about it? Are there any publications or courses available to get this education across? Perhaps they organise workshops or outreach programmes etc... I read through section 3 above and, despite being four paragraphs long, it doesn't outline in any detail what initiatives are being taken to promote this education. It seems to me that the only thing they are interested in is organising these public demonstrations that don't appear to have any purpose other than provocation.

I think so. It didn't matter to pompey that he would have 'costa' fortune in wages, but I don't think he liked the rotten smell around the stadium.

So would you say then that flying the flag of Israel is not intended purely to incite anger from muslims? And why don't we ever see these 'coloured people' (as you so crudely and ignorantly put it) joining in their demonstrations?

How many pointless rule-changes are we looking at this year then? Also, will all the cars have KERS this season?

The only way I can see this is ever going to stop is if everyone boycotts Sky and cancels their subscription. The money would soon dry up and the clubs who have spent based on their future earnings from the Sky deal would end up with huge unmanageable debts. Sadly, as long as people keep accepting the extortionate cost of Sky subscription and ticket prices the madness will continue. It's all about supply and demand.

Of all the bigoted, moronic drivel you have posted on this site over the years dune, you really have stooped to a new low with this one.

As if he didn't know that they needed to get him off the wage-bill as quickly as possible. Absolute bullsh1t!

Yeah this is exactly how I felt towards the end. A replay was the last thing we needed with all the re-arranged games from december to contend with as well.