Sheaf Saint

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11860014 "We need to get this man to a hospital" "A Hospital! What is it?" "It's a large building with doctors and patients, but that's not important right now"

That may be true dune, but to ignore all of the research and claim that the whole thing is a lie just because of this would be a display of extreme ignorance and stupidity. But then, that's exactly what I have come to expect from you: never let the facts get in the way of a good rant about socialism.

Just do a google search on the gulf stream and how it affects the climate of the British Isles, and then you will understand how if the planet warms up, the UK will actually get colder.

In all fairness Alpine, replace West Quay with 'Any other shopping centre' and you've just described pretty much every town or city in the UK.

Anti-semitism, which is not actually racism. I'm not saying I condone it - far from it; I find the culture of programming children with secular hatred from a very young age every bit as reprehensible as they find Jews. But I don't agree that just because the UAF haven't openly come out and condemned this practise that they actually support it. They have their own agenda, obviously, and it clearly doesn't include public demonstrations against indoctrination of muslim children. I don't know, as I said I am not a supporter so I wouldn't have a clue. Perhaps you had better ask them. I could flip this round and ask why aren't dune's mates in the EDL protesting about it?

Why would they though? That's not what they are about. Their main focus is to campaign against far-right politics and outright racism. To criticise them for not speaking out about islamic extremists would be akin to critcising them for not speaking out against climate change or nuclear proliferation, ie - issues about which they have no concern. Before anybody goes off on one at me and accuses me of being a jihadi apologist or a UAF supporter, I am neither of those things. I just want to understand why dune automatically made the link with the UAF, against whom he clearly has a big chip on his shoulder, in a thread about something completely unrelated.

I'm not sure why I keep rising to the bait, but here goes... dune, please point us to the article that shows that the UAF openly support these sharia schools. What?... You can't?.... Oh....

What, exclusively?

And the fact that he has now left the BBC doesn't bother you in the slightest??? >>>by the way - it's paid, not payed ;-)

You know what, I really don't care if I get an infraction for this... You really are a f***ing moron aren't you dune.

I don't think he had an agenda, certainly not a politically-leaning one anyway. He was mostly pointing out to Griffin the contradictions in his statements based on things he had done and was quoted as saying previously. It's probably fair to say that the show's producers, having taken a lot of flak from large sections of the public for inviting him on in the first place, went to some lengths to make sure he did not come out of the experience in a good light. But then, he made a perfectly good job of that himself without needing to be 'stitched up'. It was just as everyone expected - give him enough rope and he'll hang himself - and he duly obliged. Anyway, as someone has already pointed out, if this is the only example that you can find in defense of your claims of the BBC leaning to the left (ONE show, which everybody agrees was a one-off and in no way representative of the show or the BBC's political allegiances in general) then I think we can safely say that you are wrong.

Well actually, everything is stopping me, seeing as I'm not a rich landowner with acres of forest. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to go and live and hunt on other people's land in this day and age.

I simply meant that the general population would dictate to the banks instead of the other way round.

I mean it's a good idea if anybody is ever going to challenge the global domination of the major banks. The only way to hurt them is in their pocket. Of course, we could just carry on with things as they are with banks screwing everyone over, making obscene profits and basically controlling government policy; or we can stand up to them and say "We've done it your way for too long, now it's time to do it our way". That is why it is a good idea. The obvious downside is that if banks were to all shut down then so would all businesses, and if that were to happen then mankind would be thrown back into the dark ages with everyone having to hunt and forage for their own food instead of just popping down the supermarket. I personally don't think that would be such a bad thing TBH, because maybe everyone would finally get over their innate materialism. Perhaps it would help the massive over-population problem we have as well as many simply would not be able to cope. Can you imagine if the playstation generation actually had to go out and fend for themselves? It's quite a shame what skills mankind has lost over the five thousand odd years since the dawn of civilisation (I used italics there because I personally think that forcing people to live in such confined areas with other humans and caring only about their own material gains is far from 'civilised' but that's another matter).

It's not really. It's a good idea in principle. The only way to release the stranglehold of the global banks is for everyone to withdraw their money simultaneously, as the figures on the accounts are not backed up by hard currency, or by anything come to that. Of course it will never happen, because if everyone did do this there would be utter chaos. World markets would collapse, stocks and shares would become worthless, businesses would shut down as they would have no cash to pay their employees; but most of all everyone would actually have to go out into the world and fend for themselves and that is probably the main reason why people would never follow through with it.

I agree it was, but with Griffin on the panel it was never going to be anything else was it, let's face it. There's no way that they could have had a normal QT debate about the week's issues when there was the 'elephant in the room' of this vile cretin who needed to be publicly challenged about some of his more extreme statements and actions.

Interesting watching the piece they did on Brighton's new stadium. It's going to have 10,000 less seats than St Marys but is going to cost 3 times as much!

Before someone else does... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDW_Hj2K0wo

Taking into account the fact that he considered the Blair/Brown Nu Labour government to be socialist, I rather suspect he doesn't.

And I am not in the least bit shocked that you have managed to turn yet another thread into a rant about socialism. If someone started a thread about flowers in springtime you would find a way to blame socialist marxist leftist communist yoghurt-knitting tree-hugging hippies for getting them banned in some way. Change the record for once, eh?

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6 music is a fantastic radio station and I'm glad it has been granted a reprieve BBC news, even if some people question its political allegiances, is widely regarded as one of the best news broadcasters in the world Local BBC radio gives us Saints coverage Loads of live music events and showcasing of new musical talent (Glastonbury coverage included)

You seem to have a very selective memory Corp. Do you not recall coming on here and boasting about how the new owners were going to get Maradonna in as an ambassador and sign Riquelme? Because everyone else does.

So this has descended into a "I know more about world history than you" thread has it? Great....