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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgz2xq7ykvo Man admits violent disorder at Henry Nowak protest The 44-year-old, who has 25 previous convictions for 55 offences, was remanded in custody to be sentenced at Southampton Crown Court on 16 July. The court heard Frost's previous offending included four instances of public disorder and possession of a blade. Nola Bond, prosecuting, told the court Frost had thrown dustbins and a chair at police. She added: "He had around his neck a dog lead with a carabiner and wrapped it around his knuckles and taunted police officers to come and take it off him." Sounds like a nice chap 🙄

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZFxXIXsB4O/ Stay safe out there everyone 🤣

I have to say the only thing I'm actually looking forward to about this world cup is Trumpty Dumpty, the thin-skinned orange man-baby, losing his shit when fans of other countries start chanting nasty things about him. Especially the Scottish. He's convinced they all love him in Scotland - boy is he in for a surprise 🤣

No, it's not. It would still be a breach of rule 3.4 regarding acting in good faith to other teams.

So unlike you to take such a firm position on something trousers.

Yeah wasn't there some talk recently (forget from who) about other Champ clubs being well aware of us doing it and running dummy drills / formations to mitigate it? If that's the case, I would be astounded if it really was just the three occasions.

In which case perhaps Soggy was wrong (imagine!) and it actually was 'crime of the century'.

Tonda admitted in his statement to the EFL that he authorised the use of spying on numerous occasions. What more proof do you need?

True. But if they were capable of being so complacent about the outcome of the hearing, what makes you think their confidence in Tonda escaping a FA ban has any stronger basis?

The same people that fully expected to get away with just a fine from the EFL?

Wrong I'm afraid. The fact that the rule doesn't exist outside the EFL is irrelevant. The fact is that a rule was broken, systematically and repeatedly, and untruths were told in trying to cover it up initially. The EFL impose the sanctions on clubs found guilty of rule-breaking, but the conduct of individuals is the responsibility of the FA as the overall parent body. Anyone who thinks it won't happen is as much in denial as most of us were about the possibility of being expelled from the playoffs.

All good points Turks. Dragan has given his full backing, so as long as everyone else inside the club is on board with it then let's bring it on. But... Tonda clearly still has questions to answer about the way he conducted himself throughout all of this. The report released yesterday by the EFL doesn't show him in a particularly good light, and the FA investigation might uncover more that hasn't yet been made public. So while Dragan's full support is welcome, I really hope he isn't putting all his eggs in one basket and that he and Spors have a decent backup plan in the likely event of Tonda getting a lengthy ban.

It's not the club that the FA would punish, it's the individual.

He admitted in his statement to the commission that he authorised the missions. And his claim that he didn't know it was against the rules is heavily contradicted by the statements from the analysts. Forget Bielsa. The benchmark is what happened with the Canadian women's team coaches.

In which case they're fucking idiots, because they didn't expect a severe sanction from the EFL either. First rule in business (and life in general) - never, ever make the same stupid mistake twice.

Just read through the EFL decision statement and it paints him in a very bad light. No evidence of the alleged bullying, but a total disregard for the rules which he then tried to play down by acting dumb and pretending he didn't know it was illegal and didn't get any useful information anyway. The club statement might suggest we want him to stick around, but I would seriously hope they are putting a contingency plan in place for when he inevitably gets banned by the FA.

No, he doesn't. He admitted he authorised the missions and then played dumb and pretended he didn't know it was against the rules. I can't see any way he can escape a ban by the FA in light of all this.

I just assumed it was an autocorrect fail 🤷‍♂️

That's essentially like trying to argue that you should be let off of a speeding fine because you think the limit on that road should be higher anyway. However stupid you might think the rule is, the point is that it exists as one of the conditions that we signed up to when entering the competition. And if you're going to break that rule then you have to make damn sure you're clever enough about it to not get caught out by walking right into an avoidable trap and then lying about it afterwards.

"I'm Saltacus!"

It's not just the players though. It's everyone else at the club as well. What about all the support staff who will have been left feeling let down by his actions? What about the analysis team? How are any of them ever going to put their trust in those running the club when he's thrown them under the bus and kept his job? A successful club needs everyone pulling in the same direction. Keeping Tonda in post after everything that has come out will most likely have a significant negative impact on overall staff morale, and that is the last thing we need right now.

Not personally, but it was his error sending a young intern to do the dirty work, so he has to take the overall responsibility.

Quite. He might have decent technical ability and a good engine, but he was very much one of the 'son-in-law' type players that made us such a pushover for many years. And despite being our captain, I'm struggling to remember when/if I ever saw him show any kind of leadership at all. If we're going to challenge for promotion next season with this siege mentality that people keep referring to in the aftermath of Spygate, we're gonna need some proper shithouse players, and JWP is about as far towards the opposite side of that scale as it's possible to be. It's a no from me.