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it was in 1897 you utter lemon.

they usually do though, as Man United did both times we played last season.

The fact of the matter is though that a lot of our fans are biased and blindly deluded. I'm not having a go at Garrett here but to use him as an example he has openly admitted that he doesn't rate Frank Lampard and suggested he wouldnt get into our side, yet this is a guy who has been one of the best midfielders in a generation and scored over a goal every two games last season from midfield, if that isn't looking at it football with Saints tinted glasses on i dont know waht is. I would wager that a lot of people on here would argue that 5 or 6 Saints players are better than their Man United counterparts in that position. I would bet that some people here would argue that Boruc is better than De Gea, Shaw than Evra, Clyne than Rafal, Cork and Schniderlin than Carrick and Anderson, Lallana than Cleverly and Ramirez than Nani or Valencia. The proof is in the pudding, forget one off games where we give them a run for their money, Manchester United won the league and finished 48 points ahead of us last season, that would not happen if half of our team was better than theirs.

he didn't mention that of them were in the 1800's though. I'm sure he'll go on about tradition and changing names is not a recent thing etc.

and 3 of them were in the first 12 years, only one of them since 1897.

One of our original names was as Southampton St Mary's so if we were to change our name to Southampton Saints then it would be a fantastic return to our roots and honouring our history.

Fair enough. I wouldn't go that far personally. In this generation id say Gerrard and Scholes were better, in my lifetime I'd put Gasgoine, Robson ahead of him too. Is put him as the fifth best in the last 25 years or so, which still makes him an exceptional player.

Fair enough. I wouldn't go that far personally. In this generation id say Gerrard and Scholes were better, in my lifetime I'd put Gasgoine, Robson ahead of him too. Is put him as the fifth best in the last 25 years or so, which still makes him an exceptional player.

G15 for the amount of minutes he's contracted to play isn't it?

I'm surprised there wasn't a thread on the Man U forum asking of their midfield was as good as southamptons

Schniderlin was playing in the most watched league in the world and was statistically reported widely as one of the top performing midfield players in Europe. Yes I'm sure no one outside of SO postcodes has ever heard of him.

We weren't safe until the penultimate weekend of the season yet our midfield is better than two of the top 3 according to some on here.

So if our midfield is better than Man Uniteds and WBAs and Liverpools in better than ours then where does that leave Man Us midfield? The reigning champions must have a midfield almost as bad as Chelsea's!

So what else do you expect him to offer?

Verbals son is a chip off the old block.

So when you said 'because I post on here I do nothing off here' you were actually right, you don't do anything off here, but you would and you're going to, hell you'd even die for your cause of you could, just not yet and damn those flight prices or you'd be in Russia right now, spitting in putins eye. For now you'll just have to be one of those brave people typing on the internet about what you would be doing if only you were able.

Well you haven't died for your cause, whatever it might be, like you claimed you would a few posts up yet have you. I very much doubt you've been beaten or imprisoned like you claim you would eitherr

Yet England managers shunted him to left midfield so we could persist with 4-4-2.

If that is how he wants to play then that's fine and it'll work as the only players we have that can beat a man wide are our full backs.Its if we persist with 4-2-3-1 that we'll have problems as we Lallana Davis and Ramirez best position in attacking central midfield, Rodriguez is a striker and our only real wide man is Puncheon and even he prefers cutting in.

We don't have any natural wide players in the squad and from our activity so far it seems we aren't looking to add any.

Its like depression, I'm sure there are a few genuine cases out there and some people really do have it, but there are also a lot that do it for attention and because they think its the cool thing to have.

Bravo sir bravo. You're doing your bit i see by posting about it on a football forum.

Tis goes back to the arguement from a few weeks back about Ramirez with some arguing that he hasn't impressed regularly as the players around him are not at the level he is at, whilst to a certain extent this is true with lesser players not having the vision to pick him out or the intelligence and movement to run onto his through balls it doesn't stop him being able to make simple passes, deliver a dead ball effectively or last more than an hour of a game. It also doesn't seem to effect our players ability to pick out Lamberts, Lallanas or Schniderlins passes so that's where the argument falls down. The fact of the matter is A true class player will always shine, yes they'll be closer marked and won't get the quality of service from better players but they'd still be able to tuck away chances, make telling passes, tackles, runs etc whoever they played for.

I still maintain we should have built a side around Paul Scholes, the best English midfielder since Gasgoine in his prime.

40 penalties in his Chelsea career in 202 goals, Lambert has 31 in 103 in his saints career, so Lambert percentage of pens per goals is higher. We can also discredit MLTS scoring record if pens don't count as he scored 49 pens out of 209 goals, so his record isn't as impressive either.