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So one of the key reasons why gay people should be allowed to marry in a church is a technicality around the wording used? Why not just legalise the wording? They can be divorced for unfaithfullness just like a straight couple. Who is demanding all this change anyway, is it gay people themselves, the government or the churches?

Please tell me about straight people wanting a civil partnership. How do they go about this? What are their choices?

I'm not quite sure how a gay person wanting the blessing a religion they claim to be part of but doesn't follow and doesn't approve of them is quite the same as sending a child up a chimney but hey ho.

So why does it matter that in a civil relationship adultery unfaithfullness fulls under the category of unreasonable behaviour and unlike straight couples they cant divore simply for this? You say yourself that the details are only shared if the people involved choose to share it.

What does it matter what i believe in? I'm not a homosexual man demanding a religion that i dont follow correctly, that i think is run by bigots and doesn't approve of my way of life bless my wedding.

Why would you want to be part of a religion that you thought was run by bigots? Why would you want their blessing on one of the most important days of your life?

So who is deciding that gay people want the blessing of the church? Gay people or are people deciding for them?

It clearly does. Sexual unfaithfullness is a subsection of unreasonable behaviour. Why is it so important a cerfitcate of divorce says "adultery"? Does the wronged partner want it advertised to all and sundre that they got cheated on? I would suggest unreasonable behaviour is a far less emotive and kinder thing to have written on your divorce CV. https://www.gov.uk/end-civil-partnership/grounds-for-ending-a-civil-partnership 1. Unreasonable behaviour Your partner has behaved so badly that you can no longer bear to live with them. This could include: physical or mental cruelty verbal or physical abuse being irresponsible with money being sexually unfaithful

That doesn't answer any of my questions.

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BUt why not be proud of the exclusiveness of civil partnerships? Who views them as a lesser relationship?

It's the needing to have the blessing of marriages by a religion that i find odd. I thought that would be fairly obvious, but then you have struggled to grasp most points on here so i'm not surprised. If they want to have a civil marriage then fine, let them. But then also let straight people have civil partnerships. I also dont understand why they cant celebrate what they have and be proud of it. Civil partnerships are exclusive to homosexuals, why cant they enjoy that?

Why not answer my questions? I dont care what gay people do, if they want to get married then fine, but it begs the questions i have raised above does it not? 1 WHy would you stay in a religion if you did not adhere to its teachings and principles? 2 Why would you stay in a religion that did not approve of your way of life? 3 Why would you want the blessing on your marriage of this religion that you do not follow correctly so are clearly not devout?

I think you'll find there is actually and that a civil partnership can be ended if one party cheats, it's under the grounds of "unreasonable behaviour" It's also called dissolution when a civil partnership ends, it's exactly the same thing as a divorce, does it really matter that the ending of the relationship has a different name?

Oh dear, you want to calm down if you are going to enage in debate. You end up looking foolish with all the insults. Isn't this thread about being married in a church, which last time i checked, was a religious building? Are you struggling with this as well?

I'm well aware of that. What i object to is you calling me thick because i dared to suggest that your opinion might not be shared by everyone. It seems you're incapable of considering other peoples views without resorting to insults and working yourself up into a little rage, quite sad really.

This is clearly propoganda.

I'll ask again. 1 WHy would you stay in a religion if you did not adhere to its teachings and principles? 2 Why would you stay in a religion that did not approve of your way of life? 3 Why would you want the blessing on your marriage of this religion that you do not follow correctly so are clearly not devout?

So why are you calling me thick for saying that your opinion might not reflect the opinions ond views of a multitude of other people, especially in a country which celebrates multiculturalism and freedom of worship? What about the views of parents who want their children to attend a religious school like children in this country have for hundreds of years? It seems to be you that is having the problem understanding that and not me.

3Eligibility. heres the legislation of it from the civil partnership act 2004. (1)Two people are not eligible to register as civil partners of each other if— . (a)they are not of the same sex, . (b)either of them is already a civil partner or lawfully married, . ©either of them is under 16, or . (d)they are within prohibited degrees of relationship. The Act grants civil partnerships in the United Kingdom with rights and responsibilities identical to civil marriage It seems straight people aren't allowed them. I demand they are. So who sees them as a lesser relationship and why aren't straight couples allowed civil partnerships?

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So why cant civil partnerships be viewed equally and of the same status? Who views them as a lesser relationship?

Why the personal insults? Thats your view because religion isn't important to you, but it is to a lot of people. Now think of the bigger picture, not just your little corner of Hampshire of whereever you live.

I haven't ducked the valid points. Its a very simple notion. Why would you stay in a religion that didn't approve of your way of life? Why would you stay in a religion where you did not live by their moral code? If you dont do the later then you clearly aren't devout, so why do you care if you have their blessing or not?

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