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And this is the other problem. Those that stuck by the club through hard times are now "uberfans" like its the modern day leprosy. personally I say hats off to those that stood by the club for sh*t games when we were being relegated to L1 then on minus 10 points. The club is built on those sort of fans. Those that go when times are hard.

Again an absurd comparison. Top class boxers fight once every six months or so against other top class fighters, football trams in This league play 46 times a season plus cup games. Once again you prove the point by your "going to see saints against a decent oposition" comment that people will choose to go depending on who the other team is.Why? They are meant to be saints fans.

Flip a coin then. You never know your luck though, we might get a big cup draw and then the decision will be made for you.

Seeing as how the Leciester game is on TV and is on a monday night and you have a young son who needs his sleep for his education then i'd go for the Cardiff one.

And so the personal insults start. Well done you. Great contribution to the discussion.

And that is the point. Who are they there to watch? If they are attracted by the standard of the opposition then they are plastic fans.

Well no, but we are talking about Saints.

A lot of people are missing the point. You were able to go to the Exeter game and chose to because you could, not because of who the oposition were. My point is that 5,000 fans were able to attend the Man United cup game that wouldn't have gone to the Charlton game, a game due to have been played the same day. They could afford it, the Man U game was more expensive. They didn't have work or family commitments, the game was the same day. Clearly they went to the game based on who the opposition were. I dont understand why a Saints fan would do that.

I met a bloke on holiday who was a Norwich AND Chelsea fan. The reason. He was a Norwich fan originally but when they got relegated to the championship he thought he'd better support a premier league team as well so he chose Chelsea and has supported them both ever since. I work in Reading and we have a few Reading and someone fans as well, in fact the bloke who sits on my bank of desk supports Reading and Liverpool. IMO nothing says i know f*ck all about football than someone who says "i support xxxxx and xxxx" or "i support xxxx and my second team is........."

No i cant understand it. If you are a fan and can afford to and are able to why would the opposition matter? You'd be going regardless. People didn't proritise the Man United game over Charlton. They didn't have to, it wasn't like one was played on a saturday and one the following tuesday and they could only afford/have time for one of them. The fact is 5000 or so extra fans could afford to, didn't have work or family commitments and turned out for a game against a big club that wouldn't have bothered if it had been a league game against a smaller club. Why? Who were they there to see?

You will always be an uberfan in my eyes princess xx

We've got a couple of those. A "Man United fanatic" who has been to Old Trafford twice and support consists of watching games on Sky and owning a replica shirt. Now that is one thing that irritates me, getting into work monday morning and the "banter" between fans of big London and northern club who never go but may have seen the highlights on goals on sunday. All the talk of "we" this and "we" that. FFS.

What bizarre logic. You really cannot compare the two. Supporting a footabll team is nothing like choosing between a Ferrari and a Focus!! People say they are Saints fans right? So they are going along to support Southamtpon football club right? So why does it matter who the opposition are? Why were "Saints fans" depserate for Man United tickets but not interested in going to see us play Charlton on the very same day at a cheaper price? It cant be financial reasons. It cant be family commitments. It cant be work reasons. Afterall they'd have those blockers regardless of who we were playing as the matches were due to be played on the very same day. Were they there to see Saints or Man United?

Anyone that waves their season ticket is a cock.

It doesn't bother me. I find it amusing. One thing is for sure, If and when we get back up to top flight there will be a lot less people with birthdays, christenings, barmitzvahs and work commitments and a lot more people who can suddenly afford to go every week.

People are quick to make excuses. Can't afford it, work, family birthdays and commitments etc etc. Yet none of these things mattered or were a factor last time we were in top flight or draw a big club in the Cup. Why? These people are Saints fans are they not? Who are they going to watch? Not everyone can afford to go every week, I understand that. however, it never ceases to amuse me the excuses people willmake not to go, we had Christmas mentioned the other day when it was 2 months away FFS!! Yet none of these things are factors when "big games" come up. As i say it's easy to be a fan when times are good. Not so easy when you need to win to stay up and are expecting to lose or starting a season in the 3rd tier on minus 10 points.

west Ham was different, it was a top of the table clash, id expect a sell out. People make all sorts of excuses. Money is an obvious one. Yet as pointed out, in February 5000 additional fan found the money, didn't have surprise birthday parties, work Commitments etc etc when Man U came to town on the same day as Charlton would have. I think the question who were they there to watch is quite valid in those circumstances.

I quite agree. But for a saints fan is it more attractive to see them play a team of a similar standard and win in a promotion push or to see us battle gamely and lose against someone else full celebrity players? If I could only afford one game a year I which one I'd choose time and again, because as a saints fan I enjoy seeing Saints win, not try hard but lose.

What was the difference? Match on the same day. Home team were the same? Why could he justify for Man Utd but not for someone else on the same day? Who was he coming to watching? You say saints but it would have been saints v Charlton as well, not justifiable to shell out for that one apparently.

Good point. I remember the Man U game because I remember a number of people who rarely if ever go asking me to get tickets or them and how excited they were about the Man U game. I dont remember any of that for the Wallsall game. The way I would suggest who is a plastic and who isn't are the ones that turn out when times are bad. The 24,000 or so that turned out for the Burnley game when the club was on it's knees and needed every penny it could get. I don't recall too many people begging for tickets for that one or not being able to sleep due to excitement. It's easy to be a fan when times are good or when big clubs roll into town. Not so good when you are going expecting to lose. That's the Mark of a clubs real fan base.

People that complain about the cost. I understand not everyone can afford or wants a season ticket. But take last February as an example. Man United at home in the cup, attendance 28k. That same day we would have had Charlton at home in the league if we'd lost in a previous round of the cup. We'd have had around 20k there for that one. Okay there were probably about 2-3000 more away fans but it meant that about 5000 extra "saints fans" found the money laying down the back of the sofa, so it wasnt a case of people not being able to afford to go on that day on the year. A ticket that was actually more expensive than a normal. One. So who were people there to watch?

My issue is if people are Saints "fans" they go to watch and support Saints, it shouldn't matter who the opposition are. Some people only seem interested in going if the opposition is attractive. Why? As a Saints fan i'm not there to watch the other team.

As a wise man once told me, "you're nothing unless you take it away"

Just out of interest who used to say "i'm going down/up the Dell saturday"?? I used to, these days i just say "i'm going to football"

I had you down as many things The9 but a racist wasn't one of them.