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Not probably rubbish, definitely rubbish, no way is Harding a centre back.

Or alternatively they could have done away with the drama and expense of a crown court trial and put it through magistates where the maximum is 6 months Arrest and Punishment ‘Violent disorder’ is triable either way although it will usually be tried on indictment. It carries a maximum sentence of 5 years on indictment or 6 months before magistrates and is therefore an “arrestable offence”. At a trial on indictment, a jury will usually have the alternative option of convicting the defendant of the lesser offence of threatening behaviour (Section 4 of the act). Or they could have given them a threatening behaviour charge which according to the above a jury usually have the option of. Not quite so dramatic in the media that though is it.

Well why bother having police at all? just let everyone out together, in fact, do away with segregation too and ticketing, let everyone just turn up and all sit together. What happens happens. Why let a simple thing like safety get in the way.

Dune, i saw the incident you are talking about, i was there, i am on the you tube clip walking past the car, i saw the grown 'men' picking on middle aged women. You dont have a clue what you are talking about. It was ONE man, this man was told to **** off by people round him and stop being a *****, all Saints fans, the car allowed to pass through the crowd without any further hassle. Would that happen in Portsmouth? I would put my mortagage on it that it wouldn't. As for your comment about the Pompey fans being allowed to blend in with the crowd, do you really believe that there weren't just as many pompey fans who would have been up for a ruck if they'd be allowed too? Do you really believe that the Pompey fans would just go on their merry way, the fans mingling and chatting to each other with gay abandon? If you really think that after the game one of the firecest rivalries in English football would result in a love in as they all walked home together then you dont live in another planet you live in another universe.

FFS!!!!! No one is saying that!!! Should thye have done it? - no. Are they responsible for their actions? - yes- did they deserve to be punished for being stupid? yes. were the sentances over the top? - yes, could the whole thing have been avoided if the police had done what every other police force and every other derby in everyother town does? - yes. So none of this need never happen if the police had shown common sense and for that they need to be held accountable, as have the guys that commited the so called violent disorder.

No, but they should be. I'd also add that the echo should be taken to task for glamourising it. Headline news now on 7 occasions since the day of the derby. If it wasn't for the echo glorifying the incident it would have long been forgotten. I also get the impression the police were hoping for something to happen, they even had a BBC film crew following them around on the day FFS!!! Interesting that the police at first descirbed it as a job well done and they kept trouble to a minimum yet now they have got their headlines and convictions they stopped a riot. Amazing what a few headlines can do.

You really are clueless. Morally maybe it was but for safety of the public was it? If it was why does every derby in the country, including the ones at Fratton Park in 04-05, keep away fans in? Maybe in your world everyone walks the streets holding hands and swaps scarves and kisses each other on the cheek whilst congratulating their rivals on their win and the other side wishing them better luck next time. But, as is becoming quite evident, you dont live in the real world.

and a lot of people shout aggresively, they had better sleep with their shoes on if shouting aggresively is violent disorder.

I am not talking about 'all the yobs' are our strets a safer place because becuase these guys are in jail. Also do you think it is right that a few fall guys, not known to police, not know to the courts as 'hooligans' are hung out to dry so 'all the yobs' as you put it know where they stand? The stand out one for me was the guy who got a year for grabbing the fence and shouting aggresively. **** me, i've shouted aggresively at football a few times myself, we best watch our step next season or there'll be plenty more year jail terms and 6 year bans dished out if this is the benchmark for violent disorder

why do some people insist on refering to the Skates as Poopy? They deserve to have a coin thrown at them just for the irritation factor of that stupid word.

One simple question. Are any of us going to feel safer at St Marys next season knowing that these 12 guys, who weren't know to Hampshire police as trouble makers, are behind bars?

Well do they have any 'previous'? if they dont then that suggests they are apart from one moment of madness. As far as i am aware only one or two do, so the vast majority would be considered law abising citizens, have jobs, families, etc which they risk losing because of 2 minutes of stupidity. But seriously, 14 months for throwing a plastic chair, 12 months for throwing a stone, stuck in prison in Parkhurst with murders, armed robbers etc, do you seriously think that is right?

95% of the people on here haven't got a clue what they are talking about.

but if the police saw you waiting outside a police station for someone to come out knowing full well there was a chance there might be a violent incident, but you hadn't actually commited it yet, what would they do? Would they give you a talking too, move you out of the area and then release the individual you might clash with ensuring you are well away, or would they let him out, let you two get on with it and stand around filming it? No one is saying people are not responsible for their own action, but the police are responsible for preventing it. Like it or not, some people will look for a fight at football when we play our neighbours, thats life, doesn't make it right, but that is how it is.

Oh brilliant, lets start sentancing on what ifs, when you drive at 80 on the motorway, what if you hit someone and kill them, death by dangerous driving for you, not because of what you did, but what if....

As apposed to letting them out at the same time when they were sitting ducks? They could have held them in, cleared the area surrounding and then escorted them back, you know like they do to us at Fratton Park, like they do in all othe local derbies. Letting them out was asking for trouble.

exactly, the story isn't accurate, no scene from baveheart mentioned, no 95 year old men or pregenant women running for their lives.

I didnt say that, but but why let them out at the same time? Tensions were running high, letting them out at the same time was asking for trouble. They keep them in at other derbies why not this one? Whilst people are responsbile for their own actions the police are there to prevent disorder as well as catch people who have commited a crime. Its almost like they let it happen, lots of them stood around filming while the 'riot of freeborn was carried out. If they have prevented the flashpoint in the first place by keeping the skates in then none of it would have happened. You wouldn't give a peadophile a packet of sweets, let him hang around a school with the police filming him then when he did something arrest him months later for it.

3 year football bans, heavy fines or comunity service. Not saying having been found guilty you should not be punished but this is way over the top and smacks of a political agenda.

and if the police had shown a bit of common sense and kept the pompey fans in like they odo at evey derby the area would have been cleared and none of this would have happened. OB covering their arses. And it wasn't planned, if it was they'd have been charged with conspiracy.

We all break the law everyday, have never done 38 mph in a 30 zone? how many men have never had a fight? Not many i know, let he who is without sin..... The point is these guys day by day are probably decent, law abiding citizens, but they acted stupidly and have been punished for thier actions in a ridiculously over the top way just so the government and Hants OB can be seen to make an example of people, best legal system in the world? It is if your a repeat offender, if are a nornmal bloke you cross the line just once though you are ****ed.

my point exactly.

If they had a string of convictions and were told this was their last chance then maybe, but i'd bet at least half of those guys had nothing on their record and were not even know 'hooligans' to Hamsphire police. Now they will loose thier livelihood, have to spend time away from their families behind bars and then face trying to get a new job when they get out. Not condoning their actions but this is all so the government and police can go 'look at us., look at what a great job we do' its a disgrace

I dont agree, if a guy is on his fourth or fifth offence for the same thing then maybe, but to make an example of someone with no previous and who undoubtedly got swept away in the moment and is not a career criminal, probably has a job and maybe a family and is probaly actually a decent citizen then it is absoultely 100% wrong to pin them up as a deterant to other people.