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Why are you obsessed with qualifications? Typcial graduate snobbery.(assuming you are a graduate as i noticed you only say you studied law, never actaully said you graduated in it in amongst all you other self promotion) There are people in my company (who i obviously dont declare i work for but according to you just fiddle the state for benefits whist working for them as a cleaner) that have 1st but know jack **** about what they do and how our industry works and they wont until they have a bit of experience. Likewise people that have played the game at a decent level or watched football for years might be able to write their football qualifications on a postage stamp with an invisible pencil but doesn't mean they dont know anything about football. As it happens our friend Hopkins is spot on in his assessment, IMO of course. I doubt either of us studied football at university for years. But for you though my friend, isn't there some book you can quickly read to get you to speed, I remember Kevin Keegans soccer skills book being popular when i was a kid. Or maybe just a large dose of common sense may help you realise Pires, or any world cup winning player for that matter, would ever seriously consider joining a league one club, or us actually us look at them a 35(?) year old, when we are looking for players who can go the whole journey back to the PL with us.

I'm sure a bid of £50m would tempt them, how about letting them have him back on loan until we get promoted to the CCC? Or £100m for him, Xavi, Toure and Iniesta, chuck another £30m at Real Madrid for Sergio Ramos and £60m for Kaka, think Pardew is the man to get him performing again, plus with him being a bible basher and us being Saints with a church background and a christian for an owner then he might be able to convince him its not all about winning champions leagues, spanish titles and world cups....

You are absolutely 1000000% spot on in every point. As saints fans we have got too used to the HCDAJFU players. Barcelona have just signed Villa and want Fabregas, i bet their fans aren't saying well, 'what will happen to Ibrahimovic and Iniesta?' In any case how many time have we been f***** over by players who jump ship at the first sign of a better offer? Why should clubs behave any differently?

Well i like Harding, thought he was one of our better players last season. So it is an interesting one, maybe Dickson will play left midfield in a 4-5-1 and when we play 4-4-2 they will fight over left back. We used both systems a fair bit last season.

stating the bleeding obvious, but what a player and what a goal that was. Go get him Nicola!!!

Probably due to a lot of people saying they wont go to prision if all they did was shake a fence, with is all they did and they did.......

but they weren't charged with incitement, they were charged with violent disorder. Nowhere in the charges or press releases are the words incitement mentioned.

you have to say hats of to Cortese, he wont get everything right, but he wants the best and wont settle for anything less, anyone with that attitude has to be admired.

God i nearly fell off my chair when i read that comment. This is the same echo that printed thier faces on the front page, that descirbed it as a 'war zone' and massivly exagerated what happened in the weeks after, that carried the incident as their lead story SEVEN times, that brag that some of them handed themselves in after seeing themselves in the echo and that were salivating at story from the moment it happened right through to the convictions and sentance and that basically lapped it up from day one and couldn't print enough words about it are now watering down the story!!! Not that legally that cant lie anymore and say people did things they didn't then?

here it is in black and white, from the echo website. Shaking a fence, shouting aggresively, throwing a coin, confirms what i saw on the day, not a lot and not enough to warrrant prison. Obviously makes me f****** moronic. Builder and former Royal Navy marine engineer Christopher Stevens, 46, of Stagbrake Close, Southampton, was jailed for 12 months. He was seen to shake the barrier fence and throw two missiles after drinking eight pints of lager. Defence barrister James Horder said he had attended more than 500 Southampton matches and was “deeply ashamed” at his behaviour after getting “caught up” in events. The judge said: “You are a family man and devoted Southampton fan and this drunken violence was plainly out of character.” -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Scaffolder and father of one James Smith, 34, of Brentwood Crescent, Southampton, was jailed for 12 months. Richard Tutt, defending, said the Saints ticket holder was “ashamed and remorseful.” He admitted throwing one stone towards Portsmouth fans. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Michael Byles, 24, of Aldermoor Road, Southampton, handed himself after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo. He had been filmed grabbing the fence and shouting aggressively. Said to have previous convictions for public order offences in 2006, 2007 and 2009, he admitted he was drunk and ashamed. He was jailed for 16 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Marcus Bevan, a 23-year-old plumber, of Warburton Road, Southampton, hurled five or six missiles and tried to climb over a fence at get out at Portsmouth fans. As a football coach and player for Brockenhurst, the judge said his actions were “particularly disgraceful”. Admitting he was now ashamed, he was locked up for 16 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Cameron Jordan, 23, of Middle Road, Sholing, Southampton, was filmed pulling on the fence and launching a substantial piece of plastic at Portsmouth fans. At the time he was on bail for a similar offence when he drove a group of Thornhill youths to an armed fight with a gang from Townhill in which he was stabbed in the buttock. He was jailed for a total of 34 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ His father, Stephen Jordan, 49, of the same address, who pushed and pulled at the fencing, told police it seemed the good opportunity for “a toe to toe” fight. It was feared his business, which employed 14 people, would go under with a prison sentence. The judge said he was “sceptical” that Jordan was remorseful and jailed him for 12 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Xavier White, 22, of Wilton Road, Southampton, had his hopes of an Army career with the Parachute Regiment shattered after he was seen to throw missiles. He was sentenced to 12 months -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Carpenter Matthew Hinton, 19, of Hillside Avenue, Southampton, handed himself in to the police after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo. He admitted he had drunk too much and described his behaviour as “ridiculous.” He was jailed for 12 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ James Koral, 20, of Haddon Drive, Eastleigh, who had a previous conviction for battery, threw four objects at Portsmouth fans after getting caught up with things in “the heat of the moment”. He also handed himself in after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo and his participation had cost him his job as a British Gas call centre advisor. He also got 12 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Lewis Buckley, 24, of The Millburns, Romsey, admitted throwing two coins in anger after being struck on the leg by an object thrown by a rival fan. He also surrendered himself to the police and claimed he had “no desire” to watch another football match again. He received 12 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Recently married Kevin Medway, 28, of Grenville Court, Townhill Park, had knocked back ten pints before he was seen throwing something, pushing at a fence and being aggressive. He also received 12 months. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ■ Allan Taylor, 30, of Wilton Road, Southampton, who was said to have a personality disorder, specifically went to the match knowing there would be trouble and hoped he would get hurt. Taylor, who had previous convictions for violent disorder and assault, had a 15-month sentence imposed.

No, no, he is right, he studied law, he is a superior being to anyone that didn't.

As is your opinion, your houour. As i have already stated i dont need to talk myself up with what i do for a job, what i did for education as its not important. I would beg to differ on your stance of being self righteous, 'i've studied law' 'i'm got a degree' 'i'm more qualified than you' 'i've got a good job because i work hard' and believes that everyone that leaves school at 16 is a noone and screwing the system for benifits, (you might want to ask Alan Sugar about that theory?) are self righteous comments in the extreme. And what do you base your view that i know sweet FA on the law on then? That i dont agree with your view that they should be banged up? I do know that sort of behaviour CAN lead to custodials, but in these circumstances IMO it should not have. As 'a person of reasonable firmness' as the law would put it, i never felt in fear of my saftey, from 20 foot away and saw pretty much all of it. I did know that shouting 'i am gonna kill you Pompey fan' could be seen as assualt, (you can be guilty of assault just be touching someone without their consent) but they weren't charged with assault so dont see what your point is. It could also be seen as threats to kill, which carries up to 10 years, or if he'd shouted it and two other people had heard and agreed they too were 'going to kill' Pompey fans, it could be considered consipracy to murder which would carry life. I know this because i do and through life experience, not because i read it in a book. But then what would i know? I clearly know FA about the law and am not quailified.

he is about as funny as a chinese burn. Just the average fat bloke in the pub who is loud and people describe as having a great sense of humour because that is the only thing mildly positive about them. I enjoyed Gavin and Stacey, so hats off to him for that, but his world cup show is gash and even Jamie Redknapp is funnier than him on A league of their own.

Yep, thats me, unemployed, lazing around, on here all day as no job to worry about and living off benefits. Lucky for me amazing people like you who like to talk themselves up about their education and fanstatic job wil pay for me to do this. Who is the bigger mug? Just so you know pal, I dont feel the need to prove myself with quips about my education and work and how much better idea i have than someone else because, guess what, i am graduate, whoop whoop for me!!! Oh and as for your cheap shot about seeing me on CCTV, they wont, i walked that way from the ground, i saw what went on from about 20 foot away, i chose not to get involved, that makes me an eye witness, not someone who read the paper, saw the youtube clippings and made an opinion based on media frenzy and internet posts. As an eyewitness to a 'crime' scene, i think that give me more idea than any book you may have read in a class room. And in any case, why are you on here, should someone as self righteous as you not be stealing time from their employer by using the internet for none work related purposes during working hours? Got to go, i need to pop down the offy for some more cans of cider and fags to watch todays games on my 50 inch plazma hard working mugs like you paid for.

Oh look what we have here,yet another arrogant graduate who spent the whole of their early twenties getting ****ed on grants and loans and now thinks they are a cut above everyone else and the world owes them a living. And no not EVERY criminal should go to prison.

The problem is the thread just goes round and round because people dont read the posts above and assumes everyone who thinks the sentances are over top and chimes in with 'i dont see how anyone can say its the fault of the police, they had a choice to do what that' My stances in summary is this 1/ They were idiots for getting involved 2/ They deserve to be punished 3/ In view of what they did, especially the one who got 12 months for shouting aggressively, i dont think any deserve prison, bans, fines etc but not prision 4/ The police do need to be questioned and accountable as to why they allowed both sets of fan leave the ground at the same time as i have never heard of this happening at any other derby anywhere when such animosity exists between the fans. It is asking for trouble.

Who has said that? Yet another one who hasn't got a clue. No one, for probably the 50th time says that they shouldn't be punished, no one says the police forced anyone to do anything. What people are saying, if you bother to read the thread properly, is that the police could have avoided the whole thing by doing what every police force in the country does at hostile game. Hold the away fans in. By the way i cant believe we've got 13 pages of people still claiming that everyone who thinks 12 months in prision for shouting aggesively is harsh is saying its totally the polices fault and the offenders shouldn't be punished

wouldn't have happened, i am sure of that, in all the Saints v Pompey games when they have kept fans in they have never tried to get at them on the pitch. Unlike the other games, Burnley for example, there were a lot more police on duty. There was never a hint of trouble inside the ground anyway.

They are beatable, at least it is a game to get excited about.

The Blackburn v Burnley game was ridiculous situation where a Blackurn fan who lived 2 miles from the Burnley ground would only be allowed in if he travelled on official club transport so he had to travel to Blackburn then back to Burnley on the club buses. I think the trains with a police escort worked well enough so far, there was minimal trouble before the game. It would limit the amount of flash points though as 1000 away fans being escorted through a city centre is alwasy going to be an invitation for some to cause trouble. Its not a question of thugs dictating, its a question of what is safest for the majority of fans, letting them all out together to mingle with each other is not it.

In that case thye'd also need to block off the side roads by the industral estates as fans were running up there to get at Pompey fans too. Or alternatively just use a bit of common sense and keep them in the ground until the areas directly surrounding SMS were clear.

i Dont think they are part of the culture but every club has an element, like it or not. Convincing yourself that rival fans will walk home together from local derbies as best mates doens't mean it is going to go away.

He was apparently the best left back in L1 last season, i dont know much about him other than that run for their goal against us at SMS. I cant see him coming here as second choice though, not when CCC clubs were in for him.

Harding is not a Centre back, anyone with half an ounce of football knowledge can see that.