moonraker

We may have been lucky but this has been the weakest ever season in PL history. The necessary rebuilding of all of the big six, adjusting to a new manager, distracted by European football, the horrendous injuries to their key players and the need for the £50m plus stars to adapt to the hardest league in the world what chance did they have? It has been heart-rending to watch pundits and commentators desperately trying to find explanations for yet another shock, it is incredible that such magnificent teams can so consistently underperform against the likes of Leicester, Southampton and West Spam these teams have somehow managed to capitalise on so many under-par performances. Fortunately normality will return next season and we can all go back to knowing our place (8th – 20th). I am only thankful I was here to see the supporting acts do well.

Winning at WHL will be hard but I so want it. I cannot believe the apologists for the Spuds Players, from the Chelsea Manager to has been footballers they are all at it. The Spuds Players were an absolute disgrace not just to football but to sport in general. If that had been Rugby Union half the team would be facing lengthy bans due to the siting rules. These do not undermine referees, what they do is to ensure that dangerous and cynical play does not go unpunished.

You provided a link to The Spectator blog, I agree the treasury analysis was very poorly presented and flawed, however the core message has merit.

That is the net figure. What we need to know is how much we would have to pay for a deal when not in the EU plus the cost of all the other individual deals, they won't be free. Assuming we could get some savings we may be better off on this one simple basis but no where near the amount Brexit keeps claiming something if the order of £50m a week might be achievable. Or less than one pound per person per week, what will you spend you 85 p on?

The LSE did a slightly more balanced assessment of Georgie's figures. A right wing publication is hardly neutral.

In short no, another Brexit myth.

Farage was real comedy on the Today Programme, he sited Norway and Switzerland as examples of no EU countries trading with the EU and when it was pointed out that they had to pay heavily and accept free movement, he accused their respective politicians of selling them down the road. The only people selling any one down the road are the lying, spinning Brexit clowns. I do so enjoy the irony of leavers arguing that we would be able to negotiate a good trade deal with the EU if we leave, wakey, wakey we already have one, we wont get anything as good if we leave.

Based on one or more of the following, xenophobia, a distorted view of the EU, little Englanderism, right wing ********, stubbornness, misinformation or just plain old stupidity. None of which has featured in any credible assessment of the issue.

No change of opinion I believe we will be poorer out than in. Also not exactly a prediction just an opinion.

We won't be the fifth biggest for long if we leave, in my humble opinion!

The only outrage is from one quarter not many, the Brexit quarter.

A question for Brexiters, what is plan B if all the nasty, nosey, foreign politicians, businessmen, make good on their 'threats' ? As a non EU member we are less relevant in any trade policy for the US, The Commonwealth is not primarily a trade organisation and its most significant members in terms of economy are much more focuses on their regional priorities than us. Putting aside the wishful thinking what is the plan.

I love the complete dismissal by Brexiters of anyone who questions the folly of leaving. Otherwise respected and admired individuals suddenly become complete idiots, and adherents to the world wide anti Brexit conspiracy. Leavers have a victim complex of the highest order. Incoming insults predicted.

Don't expect any acknowledgement of your true account, it doesn't fit the propaganda.

You really do have the arrogance of the righteous.

In a global world all our interests are intertwined, you can kid yourself all you like I believe he is an honourable man.

I hope Brexiters really listened to Obama. You may cry foul it has nothing to do with him but his perspective is far more informed and considered than the rabble leading the Brexit charge. And so much for claiming we would easily negotiate new deals, I hope that myth will now be removed from the Brexit propaganda.

What tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber said may not be racist but it is scrapping the barrel and totally disgraceful. I am ashamed they are British.

I think the closure the poll gets the more engaged people will become, which side this will benefit will very much depend on the quality of the arguments from the two sides.

Reality and uncertainty about the furure are not mutually exclusive.

No one has any idea what the EU will look like in future years, or is fortune telling the preserve of the brexiter.

Well spotted, things do change but you used Poland as an anolgy for Turkey, two very different situations. Your attempts to sound informed and knowledgable mark you out as the plank.

You are correct, far right is extreme, however the engine of Brexit is the right wing of mainstream politics. However I am sure both far right and far left groups are unanimously in favour of Brexit.

In 1975 we were in the midst of the Cold War, they were members of the Warsaw Pact, times have changed if you had not noticed. So your analogy is somewhat spurious and ill conceived. Or perhaps you are really Rip Van Winkle?

They're getting visa free access now, where will that lead to in say 5 or 10 years time?[/b] Free access to the Schengan area only so you are safe from the hordes! I dont know and nor do you where we will be ten years time, however membership of the EU requires the applicant state to meet a very wide range of criteria, few of which Turkey currently meet, the negotions started 11 years ago and we are not much further forward so if I were a betting man I would say Turkey will not be in the EU in ten years. Why do Romania have membership, but Turkey 'no chance'? Romania and Turkey are two very different cases, why do you assocaite the two? Romania as an ex Warsaw Pact state were accepated into the EU the same as Poland, The Czech Republi, Slovakia, Bulgaria, the Baltic States, and Hungary. One reason for this was to remove any danger of renewed Russian influnce and control. Romania met all of the reuirements for membership. Indeed I would contend that the EU membership requiremnts have ensured that those ex Warsaw Pact countries now in the EU have stabilised far more than those outside the EU and this is of great benefit to the rest of us.