moonraker

Biggest plus for me was my son and step son were at te final. My son a Saints Fan was working in the Fans Zone my stepson a Scousehampton fan was, well there for the game. But best of all he got his picture in the National press, well the Daily Star. He often come to St Marys with me, I suggetsed he might want to come more often now scousehampton are only a mid table team.

He is not a Historian he is a politician, at Oxford he read classics. It does not detract from the point he should be accurate he could have said England. Your geographical analogy is grasping at straws, there was no geographical entity called the United Kingdom, Great Britain yes.

I noted Blustering Boris typical Brexit grasp of history when he claimed that the Referendum vote was the biggest event for the United Kingdom since 1066, the fact that the United Kingdom did not exist until 1707, just more misrepresentation.

Great idea, the skates only have to finish in the bottom 16 of league 2 and they can be founder members of league 5, another notable entry in the history of the greatest football club in the universe.

Not arrogance just commenting on what polling analysis is showing. I Am old enough to have voted in the last referendum and so have experienced the EU project it ain't perfect but on balence I conclude we are better in than out. Oh finally my dad rembers the Empire he's 93.

Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid. How one uses or interprets the evidence is up to them, learned informed, and credible analysis and studies are evidence. It is interesting that polling analysis is consistently showing that the better educated one is the [/b]more likely[/b]. they are to vote remain. You may conclude from this that they are more capable of comprehending and interpreting the evidence. The analysis is also showing that it is the older generations who are more likely to favour BREXIT, as we often cite our children’s and grandchildren’s futures in this debate perhaps we should consider more carefully their views on their future not those who remember the good old days and the empire.

rather quick response Here are my answers, your less that objective language makes it quite difficult to offer simple answers but always willing to try. Should we have total control of our own borders and who we allow to enter our country? It highly unlikely (balance of probability) that we could achieve this outside of the EU and have access to the EU free market. Should our elected Parliament have supremacy over the unelected EU Commission? The Commission have no supremacy, as has been well documented they are the equivalent of the EU Civil Service, it is the EU Parliament and Council of Ministers that make decisions. Should our Law Courts have supremacy over the European Justice system? Yes, for matters pertaining to EU Rule and Regulations. If you join a club you abide by the rules. Please explain why the European Justice System is unacceptable? We are signed up to many other international judicial bodies. Is the EU becoming too big and unwieldy? Or should it be expanded still further? Possibly, any further expansion should be treated with great caution, if we leave we will have no influence or veto as to who can join. Do you approve of our further integration into a Federal United States of Europe? There is no such thing as the Federal United States of Europe. It is simple an hypothesis. Does the massive EU bureaucracy imposed on small businesses hamper them? I am not sure Massive is an accurate term, complex yes, but then trade and commerce in todays world is complex and it needs regulating. What would you replace it with, all business need to be regulated, and require a bureaucracy to administer and police it. (Note the EU Commission has 16000 staff far less than any comparable organisation). Would we benefit from the freedom to negotiate our own trade deals with those nations around the World whose economies are developing the fastest? No, we may be the 5th largest economy but are still dwarfed by the USA, CHINA and the EU and therefore I do not buy into the premise that we will somehow be able to get deals any more favourable that those achieved as part of the EU. Should we reclaim our own territorial waters to revitalise our fishing industry? No fish have no nationality, territorial waters are a red herring! Fishing quotas exist to protect fish stocks, how would you achieve that as an isolated jurisdiction? Is it preferable that the British Government decides how British taxpayers' monies given to the EU is spent, rather than have them decide how our money is distributed back to us? Another red herring, as the EU only accounts for about 1.5% of government spending I think the Government already decide on anything that matters. We also give money to other organisation over whom we do not have any sanctions on how the money is spent. Does the unlimited free movement of peoples impose massive pressures on our NHS, housing infrastructure and employment sectors? Not proven and I doubt it, any public service should be scaled to meet the needs of the population. Our current population is overwhelmingly made up of UK citizens, and much of our NHS is staffed by migrants.

Which laws do the EU set? During the general election campaign fag ash Farage claimed it was over 70% this was very quickly proved totally wrong. The best information is that it is about 25%, and even if we leave we will still have to adhere to some EU law so which laws are you so very worried about.

There it is again the £350m, that in reality is more like £180m. The net £180m does not include the additional cost to a fully independent UK in recruiting a significant number of additional civil servants to sort out all the new trade deals Brexit promise us and then to administer, police and regulate those deals, plus the additional border control costs, quick fag packet calculation I reckon that would be north of £80m, meaning the eu cost is a approx of 0.7 of our national budget.

Very happy to debate all of those things, and have done previously, but the Brexit tactic of throwing in spurious claims about what the EU does or does not do needs constant vigilance

What is alarming is your unfounded and scaremongering claims about Schengen, immigrants, what we can and cannot sell (what has the EU actually stopped us selling), flood risk management and finally and almost amusingly road signs. Road Signs come under the Vienna Convention, this is not an EU convention but a United Nations Economic and Social Council, and dates back to 1968 before we were in the EU, so more lies and spin from a leaver. If you had any self repsect you at least attempt to check your facts.

We may have been lucky but this has been the weakest ever season in PL history. The necessary rebuilding of all of the big six, adjusting to a new manager, distracted by European football, the horrendous injuries to their key players and the need for the £50m plus stars to adapt to the hardest league in the world what chance did they have? It has been heart-rending to watch pundits and commentators desperately trying to find explanations for yet another shock, it is incredible that such magnificent teams can so consistently underperform against the likes of Leicester, Southampton and West Spam these teams have somehow managed to capitalise on so many under-par performances. Fortunately normality will return next season and we can all go back to knowing our place (8th – 20th). I am only thankful I was here to see the supporting acts do well.

Winning at WHL will be hard but I so want it. I cannot believe the apologists for the Spuds Players, from the Chelsea Manager to has been footballers they are all at it. The Spuds Players were an absolute disgrace not just to football but to sport in general. If that had been Rugby Union half the team would be facing lengthy bans due to the siting rules. These do not undermine referees, what they do is to ensure that dangerous and cynical play does not go unpunished.

You provided a link to The Spectator blog, I agree the treasury analysis was very poorly presented and flawed, however the core message has merit.

That is the net figure. What we need to know is how much we would have to pay for a deal when not in the EU plus the cost of all the other individual deals, they won't be free. Assuming we could get some savings we may be better off on this one simple basis but no where near the amount Brexit keeps claiming something if the order of £50m a week might be achievable. Or less than one pound per person per week, what will you spend you 85 p on?

The LSE did a slightly more balanced assessment of Georgie's figures. A right wing publication is hardly neutral.

In short no, another Brexit myth.

Farage was real comedy on the Today Programme, he sited Norway and Switzerland as examples of no EU countries trading with the EU and when it was pointed out that they had to pay heavily and accept free movement, he accused their respective politicians of selling them down the road. The only people selling any one down the road are the lying, spinning Brexit clowns. I do so enjoy the irony of leavers arguing that we would be able to negotiate a good trade deal with the EU if we leave, wakey, wakey we already have one, we wont get anything as good if we leave.

Based on one or more of the following, xenophobia, a distorted view of the EU, little Englanderism, right wing ********, stubbornness, misinformation or just plain old stupidity. None of which has featured in any credible assessment of the issue.

No change of opinion I believe we will be poorer out than in. Also not exactly a prediction just an opinion.

We won't be the fifth biggest for long if we leave, in my humble opinion!

The only outrage is from one quarter not many, the Brexit quarter.

A question for Brexiters, what is plan B if all the nasty, nosey, foreign politicians, businessmen, make good on their 'threats' ? As a non EU member we are less relevant in any trade policy for the US, The Commonwealth is not primarily a trade organisation and its most significant members in terms of economy are much more focuses on their regional priorities than us. Putting aside the wishful thinking what is the plan.

I love the complete dismissal by Brexiters of anyone who questions the folly of leaving. Otherwise respected and admired individuals suddenly become complete idiots, and adherents to the world wide anti Brexit conspiracy. Leavers have a victim complex of the highest order. Incoming insults predicted.

Don't expect any acknowledgement of your true account, it doesn't fit the propaganda.