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A big issue has been that the immigration from Pakistan has been of uneducated, backwards peasants who have clustered and made little or no attempt at integration and insist their kids stick to the "old ways" and those kids are caught between two worlds.

let's not be coy and pretend the issue of Asian gangs grooming and abusing young vulnerable girls isn't a massive issue because it is. Morons like the EDL were talking about this years ago but the chattering classes and those outside places like Oldham, Rotherham, Bradford, Luton etc simply couldn't or wouldn't believe it. Perhaps the London centric media and the white middle classes should take their head out of the a*ses and actually look at what is happening.

Burton or Shrewsbury away please.

All miles are important when starting. Winnersaint has added in this thread the link to the Saints group on Strava, join us on it. Forecast is good for Sunday so get out early and ride a loop through Ironbridge from Coalport to Buildwas. Always great riding along the river when it's nice and quiet.

A combination of vulnerable families known to agencies and kids in care.

Our players haven't been poached either. They simply been bought for big fees.

I get Pap's point. He's saying it's weakness of character as opposed to PC that allowed it all to happen. Truth is probably half way between the two.

Totally agree but with the caveat that cowardice not to stand up for those vulnerable illustrates how weak those who were in the position's of power were.

I think that's a fair assessment. Being branded a racist was a career ender and folk we scared to act because of it. That said, failure to act to protect kids by putting your career first makes you utter scum.

Doesn't matter what we want, Sky and the BPL don't give a f**k. All that matters to them is the top clubs with their massive support in Asia.

We plundered clubs in L1. Bigger clubs have always plundered smaller clubs.

F**k off you utter c**t. Everyone, no matter what political persuasion, should feel sick to the pit of their stomach. Only a feeble minded wa*kstain would even think otherwise.

Wwwaaaaaahhhhhhhh. Wwwwaaaaahhhhh. Wwwwwaaaaahhhhh You all summer. Man the f**k up you poof.

We all start like that but it gets easier. Before you know it you'll be banging out big miles, climbing hills because they are there and going at an excellent tempo. Think about joining a club, it's easier riding with other people and you'll learn loads, such a fuelling correctly, how to ride in a group and you'll ride faster. I ride out with a club on a semi-regular basis simply because I know if my 4 riding oppos can't get out at a weekend there is always others to go with if I don't fancy a solo. Most clubs will do a Saturday group ride at various paces and in the case if my club, longer tougher rides on a Sunday if you fancy it.

95miles today in The Peaks with 8000ft of climbing, according to my ride oppos Garmin which is more accurate than my Strava app on the iphone, which included the Tour of Britain KOM climbs off Star Bank, Gun Hill and The Cat & Fiddle. Blew up on Star Bank which was odd as I tapped up it no problem last week and it was only 15miles into the ride. Took it easy on Gun Hill as a result but Cat & Fiddle was a doddle, stopped for coffee and cake at the top. Very fast decent back towards Leek after climbing from Buxton, which was harder than the cat, topping out at 55mph which was great fun. 200 miles odd this week with well over 10,000 feet if climbing. I'm utterly f**ked tonight and having some flat miles for the next week or so as hills don't come naturally to me.

Panic buy. It's CM and CB they really need quality.

Shiite.

SRL, love him as I do, struggled against WBA for the last two seasons. Their CBs had him in their pockets.

A bit shiit.

It's just Deppo's usual shiite attempt at humour.

Tickets are too expensive. Simple as that.

He's been poor in a poor Utd side so no for me.

Best English player I've ever seen. He was a rehab down this way once and met him in a bar necking Becks & feeding the fruit machine pound coins. I bought him a pint.

You don't buy a £10m keeper and stick him on the bench.

His bank managers dream more like.