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Could you please supply evidence of the latter point.

If the tories called a referendum they would have to allow members to vote with their consciences (if tories posses such a thing) to avoid ripping the party apart and would therefore have to crouch the question in very neutral terms.

That would depend on who is in power.

It should just be a simple yes/no referendum on one question. Should we stay in the EU?

You get thicker with every passing day.

So do I, which is why I consider our poor start acceptable as it's taken longer than I hoped to get the players in place. It's also why I fully expect us to go up via the play offs which I've also been saying since August.

His "all religion is intrinsically evil" mantra is a tad banal.

Jerusalem. Brings tears to my eyes when sung. I'm lucky enough to have been at Anfield for a few big European nights due to freebies and when they belt out YNWA it's quite a sight/sound. I'm also of the age that whenever I hear Nessum Dorma I automatically think of Italia '90.

Oh yeah. Ooops.

Pants at finding owt on youtube.

Link?

Good point.

That was a proper cup tie! I'm now fully convined about Antonio!

Thank you for the link.

I agree. You don't need "faith" not to believe. In fact, you need nowt. Faith is only required IF you believe.

This was a good thread, now it's not.

I'm comfortable with European integration, right of work etc, it's the EU institutions that I dislike and mistrust.

Not at all, as I've stated, I understand it's all about faith and not proof but it is silly to ask (not you, Pancake) to disprove something. The emphasis is on believers to provide the proof.

Sorry, that's silly. It's not up to the non believers to prove anything.

I quite admire, in a strange way, people who have unshakable faith in something. That said, I also view them as rather odd, most likely as I lack the rationale to understand faith in that context.

I would take great pleasure in watching them die. Oh, I am!

Well I never.