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Forza motorsport 3.

Final fantasy 3 being shown on 360. I'll buy it when it comes out!

Modern warfare 2 being shown. Looks good.

DMG is a decent player. He will be missed if we sell.

I agree. Saint Aid will have had minimal impact on any investors getting involved with saints. Probably no impact.

I think it was the other initiatives which muddied the waters.

What was the thing that someone on here got wound up about before? About something not being hyperlinked?

Bring back lungs forever!

Duncan is saying football fans have short memories but I would argue that HE is the one who is changing history. What you have said Duncan is not my recollectionof Strachan's era in the slightest.

The mods should start giving a weeks full membership for free then move you onto the harder stuff.

If they have enough money for it then it's a PR decision. The better atmosphere can also help results on the pitch.

It is to some if they literally cannot afford to just bung spare change into a bucket.

We're going to have to agree to disagree with this one. The existence of the club was not at stake. Th existence of the club did not hinge on whether people turned up to things like saints Aid or not. It just didn't.

I think FF is in a very small minority with this one.

Wow I really didn't think there were people who thought Strachan was a bad manager. I'm surprised TBH.

I remember that many players loved Jan the man.

It means he looks!

Really not the same.

Yep that's what I just said. People weren't sure A) Who they were helping B) What they were helping and C) If it would make any difference.

I think fans realised that money was really tight at the moment and they were wondering how their money would actually make a difference. There were loads of posts on here asking exactly how much money was needed to be raised and how big the debt was and nobody knew. There was some scheme whereby money was going to be set aside for when it was needed and another where money was going to go directly into the club. I have very little idea what saints aid was raising money for or how much was needed. I think that was a huge problem and may explain one of the reasons for a small attendance.

There are many reasons why people choose not to attend. In all honesty I considered not going a few times this season and I'm not sure I would have done had I already bought a season ticket at the start. In fact, if things had stayed as they were last season except we had got relegated with Lowe and Wilde still there, I think I wouldn't have got a season ticket either. Does that make me less of a fan? Maybe, but then I only have a certain amount of finance and my patience was running thin watching rubbish and the money would perhaps have been better spent elsewhere. Maybe some people have less patience than you or I?

Either someone was going to buy us or they weren't. People criticise fans for just sitting around hoping someone saved us but that is precisely what we needed. Things had gone so far that we NEEDED someone to save us or we were gone. I have already said I applaud the efforts of people trying to get people down for the last few games of the season. I also have no problem with people organising non football related activities but you have suggested that someone is somehow less of a fan if they choose not to go. Nick has gone as far as to suggest that the fans should take a significant portion of the blame if saints cease to exist. On both of these counts I srongly disagree and I'm a bit insulted that people are suggesting it.

The9 would at this point draw parallels between this and the "fans" at SFC

My sister used to be in Pantomimes with him quite a few years ago. Sad times.

I'm not criticising any method, I'm just suggesting that many of the methods were misguided in their belief that they were saving the saints. If people want to organise things then go ahead, but don't criticise and blame the fans if people don't support it.