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I'm utterly astounded that the Tories have fecked this up so badly. Their manifesto was so uninspiring and lacking in hope that I feel that some will vote the fantasy manifesto of labour simply because it offers some sort of optimism. If the Tories get a reduced or non existent majority then they really will only have themselves to blame.

You are right that there are a very high number all over social media (many of them celebrities like Katy Perry asking for no borders whilst living in a secure mansion separated from the outside world.) but I have heard some encouraging noises after this atrocity and I do think people are recognising that we are going through the same things on a monthly basis now and simply shrugging our shoulders and saying there is nothing we can do about Islamic terrorism is no longer an option. I compare the reaction of the Manchester attack to the Charlie Hebdo one and I can see a definite change of opinion in some people.

Do you reckon the people slagging off mane were the ones subsequently calling him world class? Or do you think they might have been different posters?

Really strange response. Many posters sneeringly asking for real suggestions about what can practically be done and when I offer something- whether you agree with it or not- your response is a sarcastic put down rather than a proper reply. With attitudes like that it's little wonder that the majority of the public have turned against the left.

I don't know how big a problem the immigration issue is. For me I do think there should be more initiatives working with mosques and more powers to investigate mosques that are suspecting of harbouring terror. Certainly the hate preachers like Abu hamza openly preaching hatred should have been dealt with much earlier than they were. There's clearly a middle ground between raiding all mosques and deporting all Muslims and what we currently do and hopefully some sensible initiatives can be worked out to reduce the likelihood of attacks in the future. An expert on five live earlier said the Tories should do more to work with more conservative imams rather than just the liberal ones and that sounds like a good start to me.

I stopped reading when you said I have a problem with Muslims as frankly you are an idiot. The laughable thing is I married into a Muslim family and by your own admission you do not know any personally yet you act as if you are the spokesman for the Muslim population. You are the very definition of a virtue signalling leftie, safe in your leafy suburb whose views are aired simply to make yourself feel smug and superior to others. Frankly you and others of your ilk are part of the problem but thankfully you are a diminishing number as more people wake up to the problem and more practical solutions are offered. It's not about demonising all Muslims, it's about recognising that Islam is a part of the problem and discussing how various parties including Muslims can come together to tackle this issue. Burying your head in the sand does more harm than good.

agreed but then this is morning telly so probably not much time for an in depth discussion. I think he made some good points, certainly more nuanced than the likes of soggy on here who reject outright the notion that this has anything to do with Islam at all. I think the most productive conversations to be had are those that acknowledge that Islam is very much a part of this and discuss how it can be combatted by a number of parties. My suggestion is that a lot more needs to be done within the mosques themselves.

Extremely sorry to hear that Guan. These things always hit home harder when they affect you personally. My condolences.

Why are you attempting to lump everyone in together? I wouldn't insult someone like moonraker by pretending your mad views are shared by him. Kindly don't do the same to me thanks. I know it suits your agenda and is easier for you to handle when you pretend that everyone who thinks there is an Islamic extremism problem in the UK that could at least partially be handled by the Islamic community is a racist by please try to understand that there is a wide spectrum of views on this issue, many which strongly disagree with you.

Personally I'm fed up with empty platitudes. Pray for Manchester, this won't defeat us. What's the point? It's the same meaningless comments every time.

You're hopelessly biased and lost. Corbyn is utterly unelectable and a terrible leader with some awful flaws. May has been totally uninspiring and will win by default. It's depressing.

Are they going to redo that OURS picture in the stand with HIS now?

That could be true I suppose. I can't imagine there are many in the electorate (even Tory supporters) who do not want a normal Labour party with policies and ideas they can vote for. This country is crying out for someone with an exciting vision who doesn't have loony radicals ideas on both sides of the political spectrum. What we have at the moment is terrible for democracy.

If I were leading the Tories I'd have just released a load of middle of the road policies that are incredibly uncontroversial, annoy the least amount of people and win by a landslide. What's the point of releasing a raft of controversial stuff that fans the flames of the "nasty party" narrative? How is that going to appeal to the soft Labour voters that they want? Or maybe they think that people will just vote for Brexit and swallow all the other rubbish they have tacked on. Very disillusioned by both parties right now...

Considering the Tories hold all the aces, they have played this election campaign appallingly.Why would you refuse to debate Corbyn when his appearance and how he comes across is one of the least appealing things about him? Why would you go after easy votes in the form of older people? Why would you support fox hunting which will gain no votes in the areas they are trying to break through? Really odd strategy to simply repeat the strong and stable mantra whilst doing little else. Labour have their own problems but no need to make their job easier.

Not sure why you're finding it so difficult to understand. He's either voting labour despite feeling they are currently being led horrendously, he's wasting his vote on one of the other parties or he's voting Tory despite being ideologically opposed to them and only because Corbyn et al are so awful. Whoever verbal decides to vote for, how does that change what he is saying?

K Billy supersound and Guan 2.0 are pretty much the only people worth listening to in terms of itk in my experience. We used to have the likes of lifelongsaint and Saint David to entertain us too with their fantasies.

How can you be really concerned when you wouldn't even know who we would bring in?

Not just this country. Have you seen BAMN and the despicable antifa? Countries like Australia, Canada and America are suffering from the same type of thing abd identity politics is another strand of that. I think it's very sad that the only party to vote for is the Conservatives. It's in the interests of everyone that we have a credible opposition that aren't a bunch of hard left wing loons.

Absolutely heartbreaking to see the persecution of the Yazidi too.

I managed to get back from the footie in time to watch an excellent documentary on channel 4 about the origins of isis. Some absolutely despicable views from some of the Muslim spokesmen and utterly refutes the view that isis have nothing to do with Islam. What is most disturbing is how much of this stuff is explicitly referenced in the Qaran. It's a must watch for anyone interested in the topic.

So "free" childcare is currently woefully underfunded with talk of nurseries closing following the introduction of 30 free hours from September yet Labour wants to extend this to two year olds and one year olds and: Our colleague in BBC Radio Leeds says the document doesn't say how it would be paid for. Absolute genius.

Hi Peter . I heard that Martin and Paul are down this weekend from America. Don't go spreading it about though.

That just about sums it up for me. Lets be honest, Adkins was sacked for much less.

We don't know yet do we. Happy to wait and see.