NickG

and every player, apprentice staff member recruited while he was here -get rid of them all they are all evil

good post!

agree with all of that. As said my guess, and is the assistance talked about were not in areas that were the reasons why we are where we are, hence to me he starts with a clean sheet. I base that on the quotes listed - all seem to be about structure, youth team reserve team, copying Jan's first team with the youth etc -not leading on tactics or motivation. Also base it on the things he clearly has done differently since becoming manager. Think its melodramatic to say people are re-writing history when all we are pointing out was that the academy director was not responsible for the first team!

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in last 4 games we are 4th in current form they are bottom, real chance but not got a clue!

sure he was involved, we don't know how much. My take is the quotes and what I saw on match days is that is was a minor involvement in key day to day first team issues (selection/tactics/motivation). This also seems right due to those all changing when he took the lead. However, even if you go down the line of we don't know if he did have more -surely its worth giving him a chance?

anyone know the difference in TV income should we get relegated?

as above, think those quotes are saying what I said - seemless transition for the players etc, he would mirror the first team -therefore implying copying not leading! Not saying he never spoke or had nothing to do with Jan but he was never said to be joint first team manager, asst first team manager or anything close. Those quotes are almost exactly my explanation/understanding above

thanks for finding quotes showing how good my memory is!

come on here for debate etc but think we have shown this is not the place for ITK boardroom stuff!

exactly, which is why can't see it happening

that the players from both camps will have training together and be able to move from youth team to reserves to first team. That the managers will talk about with players and their progress, that reserves/youth players will be aware of tactics/style of first team so that when called upon the players will be able to play their part. I never read it that Wotte would do first team training/team talks or tactics etc

managers son't ususally move around like players to clubs on a similar level (perhaps the top european clubs) so you are only ever going to get; out of work manager (nearly universally out of work due to failing and getting the sack) or manager unproven at your current level

because in the past tense -he wasn't the manager! I am judging him on that, no idea how he did as academy director! Not that complicated!

as we saw last year unfortunately a lot always depends on the board room. If Lowe is still here then Wotte is likely to have boardroom support which goes in his favour. If Crouch was back in, and didn't like Wotte is would be unhealthy to keep him as manager without boardroom support. On performance.. I think he has shown enought to merit the job longer term.

would think it unlikely -this season or next. Think Lowe would rather see a club failing on the pitch than going into administration

If Svennson had been launched at the start of the season as part of this management team, then had taken over and improved things as Wotte has he would be unanimously congratulated. Personally I prefer to look at it simply - how is he doing as a manager? Not sulking over who appointed him or who came before, or guessing what influence JP let him have. It is widely reported that he changed training immediately. This shows it wasn't him running the training. He wasn't doing the team talks or on the bench - he was not the first team manager. Judge him on his time as first team manager.

oh yes I did! like all was positive after last game of season and looking forward to seeing how he would take us forward with a preseason

were his comments bit close to home for you?

not saying he wasn't involved at all, but for him to be at fault he needs to have been involved/responsible for where it went wrong specifically. If that was for example, the picking of players and their formation and subsequent confidence drop - was he anything to do with that? Seens as how those things changed so much I doubt it

I would say its exactly the opposite - reminding fans that it is about football not (often childish) politics.

but he wasn't first team manager!

think he has said he was saying the opposite, appreciate you may say he is lying but where us there anything that actually says he had influence, day to day on first team? Certainly never saw him near team at St Marys. Just him on how he does as manager (pretty good so far) rather than writing him off purely cos you dislike lowe

we should have sacked that WGS because he previuosly failed at Coventry

think we were struggling to attack due to being out muscled and Surman not only having off game but visibly being down after the bad miss