Over land and sea

It's not an indication of squad numbers. The quickest way of writing a 1 to 28 list was to use existing numbers and then fill in the gaps with players whose number was higher than 28. Not sure why I put Stephens and Van Dijk at 5 and 6 on that basis - I probably wanted to put a centre half at vacant #6 but why I swapped Gardos out I'm not sure.

If what I have written above is right we currently have 28 players that qualify as over 21 next season and can name only 25 of them in our PL squad. So sales and or loans will be needed if we are to bring new signings in. On the plus side we are in a good position for Home Grown players as 16 of the 28 are home grown. The 28 are: 1. Fraser Forster (Home Grown (HG) Association 1) 2. Cédric Soares 3. Maya Yoshida 4. Jordy Clasie 5. Jack Stephens (HG club 1) 6. Virgil van Dijk 7. Shane Long (HG Association 2) 8. Steven Davis (HG Association 3) 9. Jay Rodriguez (HG Association 4) 10. Charlie Austin (HG Association 5) 11. Dušan Tadić 12. Matt Targett (HG club 2) 13. Alex McCarthy (HG Association 6) 14. Oriol Romeu 15. Florin Gardoș 16. James Ward-Prowse (HG club 3) 17. Sam Gallagher (HG club 4) 18. Harry Reed (HG club 5) 19. Sofiane Boufal 20. Monolo Gabbiadini 21. Ryan Bertrand (HG Association 7) 22. Nathan Redmond (HG Association eight) 23. Pierre Højbjerg 24. Jason McCarthy (HG club 6) 25. Paulo Gazzaniga 26. Jérémy Pied 27. Sam McQueen (HG club 7) 28. Stuart Taylor (HG Association 9) Currently for PL, clubs must name a 25-man squad of players who do not qualify as Under 21, at least 8 of whom must be home grown players who have been registered with any club affiliated with the FA or Welsh FA for three entire seasons or 36 months before turning 21 (or leave empty spots), plus unlimited players who qualify as Under 21s. There is no requirement to split between Association trained and club trained as there is in Europe.

I have updated the opening post. Today's announcement covers only pro players being released. This implies that other pro players who are out of contract are being offered a new deal (Taylor, J McCarthy and Flannigan). Whether they sign then is another matter. Today's announcement does not cover 2nd year scholars out of contract but there are 6 of these. In reality most if not all of these have not featured for the U18s since the early part of 2017 and may already have found new clubs. In early June the Premier League will publish a full list of released and retained players for each PL club. Each player will either be listed as 'retained', 'released' or 'contract offered'. We may need to wait until then for confirmation of the 3 out of contract pros and the 6 2nd year scholars. I strongly suspect this approach is designed to try to avoid headlines such as 'Saints usual big summer exodus begins.'

Ben Cull (2nd year scholar) has announced on Twitter that he's been offered a contract extension. Good news for him after all he's been through.

Updated 25 man squad lists for all PL teams published on the PL website. No surprises. Gabbiadini replaces Fonte in our 23 man squad. There are three additions to the U21 list compared with September: Jonathan Afolabi (seems to have been omitted in error last time!), Mouez Hassen and Kingsley Latham (who started in goal for U23s the other night). http://Www.premierleague.com/news/322804 I suspect next year we will have a full 25 man squad as several who currently qualify as under 21s will not qualify: Matt Targett Sam McQueen Harry Reed Pierre Højbjerg Sam Gallagher Mouez Hussen (if loan extended) Jason McCarthy (if contract extended) Paulo Gazzaniga may also return. Even after you take out all those out of contract we slightly exceed 25

Post 36 updated to show the numbers for the two players signed yesterday.

OP updated with a number of recent developments.

Original post updated with Reed and Hesketh's contract extensions and to note that Ben Rowthorn has been offered a first pro contract (according to his Twitter account). Michael Obafemi's squad number also added though there's a bit of confusion as to whether that is 61 (according to OS) or 62 (according to Sky/ESPN/football squads).

Adam Parkes has signed a pro contract keeping him at the club until he June 2019. Original post udpated.

The updated UEFA site now shows Ben Cull as number 60 even though Will Smallbone wore 60 in the Checkatrade. http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html#ui-tabs-tab_TeamsSquad But that's the only example of a different number. The information may be unreliable as it shows Ben Cull as a goalkeeper when he's actually a left back. His brother Alex is a goalkeeper. Good to see Ryan Seager added to the UEFA squad as well - hopefully a sign he's making progress from injury.

I've updated the post 36 to show additional squad numbers as a result of the Checkatrade Trophy - I wonder how high we will get!

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html#ui-tabs-tab_TeamsSquad One further addition to the squad numbers now that the Europa League squad has been published - Connor Langan at 61.

Saints Europa League squad UEFA have updated their website with the addition of all our B list players (U21s). Quite an extensive list - most of the Development squad and even a few scholars. There are some players who are ineligible - see my updated post at 105 of this thread.

We could add Valery if we remove someone from the A list during the season but, as things stand, he is ineligible to play in EL. Same goes for about half the scholars and for Gape and Gazza (season long loans) and Pied (omitted from A list due to injury). Not sure about the other two loaned out players (Gallagher and McCarthy) as it depends whether we include them on the B list (not yet published). We may well include McCarthy as his loan is not season long.

Any Under 21 that has been at the club for 2 years or more can be included in a separate B list which has not yet been published. That will include Targett, Reed and the development squad. We can opt to include scholars in the list but only if they have been at the club 2 years (so Yan Valery can't be included).

My link takes you to the page but not my post as I couldn't work out how to do that (I still can't!). So thank you - very helpful. Yes we should have submitted out lists by 1 September so they should be published soon. There shouldn't be any surprises. If my analysis is correct we need to omit three players because we have more than 25 eligible for the A list. I'm assuming Pied (injured), Gape (loaned) plus one other (most likely Lewis). The Europa squad should be published here: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html

Nothing official but I saw something on Twitter that he's been given 28

Yes and Josh Debayo is still listed in the U23 list but is no longer at the club. Now the transfer window has closed, I've updated the lists of who qualifies for our 25 man list for the Europa League and the Premier League - the list for the latter was published on the PL website yesterday. See post 105 on page 3 of the Europa League thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017&p=2353260#post2353260

Less interesting than travel plans and actually going to the games, but I've updated the lists of who qualifies for our 25 man list for the Europa League (and the Premier League - the list for which was published yesterday). See post 105 on page 3 of this thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017/page3

Line up - entirely U23 apart from goalkeeper. And all apart from McCarthy, Gape and Stephens are U21

The reason so many players have been allocated squad numbers is that we are using squad numbers for the Checkatrade Trophy which is an U21 competition. Some of the U21s with squad numbers are not eligible as U21s for the Europa League and will need to be omitted omitted from the EL squad or included in the main A list. That includes Valery, Lewis, Hojbjerg as welll as O'Connor, Thomas and O'Driscoll. Of the scholars without squad numbers Osborn, Cull, Siu, Gardner, Cull, Hamblin have been at the club for more than two years and are eligible as U21 in the EL - the others haven't been at the club long enough. So I suppose any of these could be added when the EL numbers are confirmed.

Debayo's omission explained - he's been on trial at Leicester for the last few weeks. Although we offered him a contract extension at the end of last season it looks like he hasn't signed one. Not mentioned on the OS and he's still shown in the U23 profiles (which are always pretty unreliable). http://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=19753 http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/100930-lcfc-u21-development-squad-stuff-it-in-here/?page=20 The second article appears to show that Will Wood may also be on trial there, though that appears to be guess work from having a left back trialist called "Wood" and assuming he's from Saints.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/69430 The Premier League have published a full list of squad numbers for each club - see link above. There are numerous additions to the initial list published by the club (shown in bold). All the U23s (apart from players on loan) are listed as are many of the second year scholars and even a few of the first year scholars. Here is the full list: 1 Forster, Fraser Gerard 2 Alves Soares (Cedric), Cedric Ricardo 3 Yoshida, Maya 4 Clasie, Jordy 5 Gardos, Florin 6 Fonte, Jose Miguel - now West Ham 7 Long, Shane Patrick 8 Davis (Davis S), Steven 9 Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus 10 Austin, Charlie 11 Tadic, Dusan 12 Cáceres, Martín 13 McCarthy, Alex Simon 14 Vidal (Romeu), Oriol Romeu 15 Martina, Rhu-endly Aurelio Jean-Carlo 16 Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward 17 Van Dijk (Virgil), Virgil 18 Reed, Harrison James 19 Boufal, Sofiane 20 Gabbiadini, Monolo 21 Bertrand, Ryan 22 Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome 23 Hojbjerg, Pierre Emile Kordt 24 Stephens, Jack 25 26 Pied, Jeremy 27 Isgrove, Lloyd Jeffrey 28 Taylor, Stuart 29 30 Wood, William Nicholas 31 Little, Armani 32 Olomola, Olufela 33 Targett, Matthew Robert 34 Flannigan, Jake 35 Jones, Alfie 36 Turnbull, Jordan Robert - subsequently signed for Coventry 37 Willard, Harley Bryn 38 McQueen, Samuel James 39 Sims, Joshua Samuel 40 Hassen, Mouez 41 Lewis, Harry Charles John 42 Hesketh, Jake Alexander 43 Valery, Yan 44 Barnes, Marcus Thomas 45 Seager, Ryan Paul 46 Gape, Dominic Edward - initially on loan with Wycombe Wanderers until early January 2017 when he signed for them permanently 47 Bakary, Mohamed Richard 48 Cook, Oliver David Paul 49 O'Connor, Thomas James 50 Rowthorn, Ben John 51 Johnson, Tyreke Martin 52 Nlundulu, Dan 53 Thomas, Archie Alexander 54 Mdlalose, Siphesihle Thembinkosi 55 Slattery, Callum 56 Parkes, Adam Darren 57 Vokins, Jake 58 O'Driscoll, Aaron 59 Afolabi, Jonathan 60 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick 61 Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi Without numbers McCarthy, Jason Sean (season loan at Walsall) Gazzaniga, Paulo (season loan in Spain) Gallagher, Samuel James (originally allocated 40 but subsequently went on a season loan at Blackburn) Scholars Cull, Benjamin Simon (alloacted 60 for Europa League) Langan, Connor John (alloacted 61 for Europa League) Latham, Kingsley Finn Bradley Green, Jamie Cull, Alexander Davis, Harrison Freeman, Kieran Gardner, Oliver Hale, Harlem Hamblin, Harry Mark Klarer, Christoph Musendo, Rugare David Osborn, Neal Paul Sean Siu, Javen Michael Tella, Nathan Edit: Players at numbers 12, 20, 40, 59, 60 and 61 were added after the publication of the Premier League list.

In the club shop where they sell the shirts their display has a (nearly) full list and is showing numbers for 30 Wood 31 Little 34 Flannigan 35 Debayo 37 Willard 45 Seager 46 Gape However, Debayo must be an error as Jones has taken 35. The guy behind the counter said that these were the numbers they had been given. Some players were missing including 13 Alex McCarthy and 32 Olomola. Not even sure that Hojbjerg was listed.

The 25 man squad varies slightly depending on whether you're talking about the Premier League or the Europa League - see post 105 here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017/page3#.V6JBb1R4WJI