Over land and sea

OP updated with a number of recent developments.

Original post updated with Reed and Hesketh's contract extensions and to note that Ben Rowthorn has been offered a first pro contract (according to his Twitter account). Michael Obafemi's squad number also added though there's a bit of confusion as to whether that is 61 (according to OS) or 62 (according to Sky/ESPN/football squads).

Adam Parkes has signed a pro contract keeping him at the club until he June 2019. Original post udpated.

The updated UEFA site now shows Ben Cull as number 60 even though Will Smallbone wore 60 in the Checkatrade. http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html#ui-tabs-tab_TeamsSquad But that's the only example of a different number. The information may be unreliable as it shows Ben Cull as a goalkeeper when he's actually a left back. His brother Alex is a goalkeeper. Good to see Ryan Seager added to the UEFA squad as well - hopefully a sign he's making progress from injury.

I've updated the post 36 to show additional squad numbers as a result of the Checkatrade Trophy - I wonder how high we will get!

http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html#ui-tabs-tab_TeamsSquad One further addition to the squad numbers now that the Europa League squad has been published - Connor Langan at 61.

Saints Europa League squad UEFA have updated their website with the addition of all our B list players (U21s). Quite an extensive list - most of the Development squad and even a few scholars. There are some players who are ineligible - see my updated post at 105 of this thread.

We could add Valery if we remove someone from the A list during the season but, as things stand, he is ineligible to play in EL. Same goes for about half the scholars and for Gape and Gazza (season long loans) and Pied (omitted from A list due to injury). Not sure about the other two loaned out players (Gallagher and McCarthy) as it depends whether we include them on the B list (not yet published). We may well include McCarthy as his loan is not season long.

Any Under 21 that has been at the club for 2 years or more can be included in a separate B list which has not yet been published. That will include Targett, Reed and the development squad. We can opt to include scholars in the list but only if they have been at the club 2 years (so Yan Valery can't be included).

My link takes you to the page but not my post as I couldn't work out how to do that (I still can't!). So thank you - very helpful. Yes we should have submitted out lists by 1 September so they should be published soon. There shouldn't be any surprises. If my analysis is correct we need to omit three players because we have more than 25 eligible for the A list. I'm assuming Pied (injured), Gape (loaned) plus one other (most likely Lewis). The Europa squad should be published here: http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuropaleague/season=2017/clubs/club=52923/squad/index.html

Nothing official but I saw something on Twitter that he's been given 28

Yes and Josh Debayo is still listed in the U23 list but is no longer at the club. Now the transfer window has closed, I've updated the lists of who qualifies for our 25 man list for the Europa League and the Premier League - the list for the latter was published on the PL website yesterday. See post 105 on page 3 of the Europa League thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017&p=2353260#post2353260

Less interesting than travel plans and actually going to the games, but I've updated the lists of who qualifies for our 25 man list for the Europa League (and the Premier League - the list for which was published yesterday). See post 105 on page 3 of this thread. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017/page3

Line up - entirely U23 apart from goalkeeper. And all apart from McCarthy, Gape and Stephens are U21

The reason so many players have been allocated squad numbers is that we are using squad numbers for the Checkatrade Trophy which is an U21 competition. Some of the U21s with squad numbers are not eligible as U21s for the Europa League and will need to be omitted omitted from the EL squad or included in the main A list. That includes Valery, Lewis, Hojbjerg as welll as O'Connor, Thomas and O'Driscoll. Of the scholars without squad numbers Osborn, Cull, Siu, Gardner, Cull, Hamblin have been at the club for more than two years and are eligible as U21 in the EL - the others haven't been at the club long enough. So I suppose any of these could be added when the EL numbers are confirmed.

Debayo's omission explained - he's been on trial at Leicester for the last few weeks. Although we offered him a contract extension at the end of last season it looks like he hasn't signed one. Not mentioned on the OS and he's still shown in the U23 profiles (which are always pretty unreliable). http://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=19753 http://www.foxestalk.co.uk/forums/topic/100930-lcfc-u21-development-squad-stuff-it-in-here/?page=20 The second article appears to show that Will Wood may also be on trial there, though that appears to be guess work from having a left back trialist called "Wood" and assuming he's from Saints.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/69430 The Premier League have published a full list of squad numbers for each club - see link above. There are numerous additions to the initial list published by the club (shown in bold). All the U23s (apart from players on loan) are listed as are many of the second year scholars and even a few of the first year scholars. Here is the full list: 1 Forster, Fraser Gerard 2 Alves Soares (Cedric), Cedric Ricardo 3 Yoshida, Maya 4 Clasie, Jordy 5 Gardos, Florin 6 Fonte, Jose Miguel - now West Ham 7 Long, Shane Patrick 8 Davis (Davis S), Steven 9 Rodriguez, Jay Enriqus 10 Austin, Charlie 11 Tadic, Dusan 12 Cáceres, Martín 13 McCarthy, Alex Simon 14 Vidal (Romeu), Oriol Romeu 15 Martina, Rhu-endly Aurelio Jean-Carlo 16 Ward-Prowse, James Michael Edward 17 Van Dijk (Virgil), Virgil 18 Reed, Harrison James 19 Boufal, Sofiane 20 Gabbiadini, Monolo 21 Bertrand, Ryan 22 Redmond, Nathan Daniel Jerome 23 Hojbjerg, Pierre Emile Kordt 24 Stephens, Jack 25 26 Pied, Jeremy 27 Isgrove, Lloyd Jeffrey 28 Taylor, Stuart 29 30 Wood, William Nicholas 31 Little, Armani 32 Olomola, Olufela 33 Targett, Matthew Robert 34 Flannigan, Jake 35 Jones, Alfie 36 Turnbull, Jordan Robert - subsequently signed for Coventry 37 Willard, Harley Bryn 38 McQueen, Samuel James 39 Sims, Joshua Samuel 40 Hassen, Mouez 41 Lewis, Harry Charles John 42 Hesketh, Jake Alexander 43 Valery, Yan 44 Barnes, Marcus Thomas 45 Seager, Ryan Paul 46 Gape, Dominic Edward - initially on loan with Wycombe Wanderers until early January 2017 when he signed for them permanently 47 Bakary, Mohamed Richard 48 Cook, Oliver David Paul 49 O'Connor, Thomas James 50 Rowthorn, Ben John 51 Johnson, Tyreke Martin 52 Nlundulu, Dan 53 Thomas, Archie Alexander 54 Mdlalose, Siphesihle Thembinkosi 55 Slattery, Callum 56 Parkes, Adam Darren 57 Vokins, Jake 58 O'Driscoll, Aaron 59 Afolabi, Jonathan 60 Smallbone, William Anthony Patrick 61 Obafemi, Michael Oluwadurotimi Without numbers McCarthy, Jason Sean (season loan at Walsall) Gazzaniga, Paulo (season loan in Spain) Gallagher, Samuel James (originally allocated 40 but subsequently went on a season loan at Blackburn) Scholars Cull, Benjamin Simon (alloacted 60 for Europa League) Langan, Connor John (alloacted 61 for Europa League) Latham, Kingsley Finn Bradley Green, Jamie Cull, Alexander Davis, Harrison Freeman, Kieran Gardner, Oliver Hale, Harlem Hamblin, Harry Mark Klarer, Christoph Musendo, Rugare David Osborn, Neal Paul Sean Siu, Javen Michael Tella, Nathan Edit: Players at numbers 12, 20, 40, 59, 60 and 61 were added after the publication of the Premier League list.

In the club shop where they sell the shirts their display has a (nearly) full list and is showing numbers for 30 Wood 31 Little 34 Flannigan 35 Debayo 37 Willard 45 Seager 46 Gape However, Debayo must be an error as Jones has taken 35. The guy behind the counter said that these were the numbers they had been given. Some players were missing including 13 Alex McCarthy and 32 Olomola. Not even sure that Hojbjerg was listed.

The 25 man squad varies slightly depending on whether you're talking about the Premier League or the Europa League - see post 105 here: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?56552-Europa-League-2016-2017/page3#.V6JBb1R4WJI

Basically any U21 that wasn't selected for the pre-season tour hasn't got a squad number. Last year a few U21s were allocated numbers when the Europa League list had to be submitted 29 Mugabi 30 Wood 31 Little 34 Flannigan 35 Debayo 37 Willard 45 Seager 46 Gape 47 Barnes That could happen again - apart from Debayo they could all keep the same number.

Redslo Excellent analysis as ever. I’d done a similar analysis in the Europa League thread a few weeks ago and generally came to similar conclusions about categories of players. I also included the scholars though I agree with you that doing so was probably going a bit too far and that just looking at the professionals is more sensible (last season all those that qualified for inclusion who were professionals were given Europa League squad numbers but none of the non-pro scholars). Strictly if you are listing all professionals then Thomas O'Connor, Christoph Klarer and Aaron O'Driscoll should also be included in your list – though that would be academic as none have been at the club long enough to make the B list! In my analysis I came up with some differences though I think two are probably just omissions from your list, namely Maya Yoshida is missing from your ‘Other’ list and Olufela Olomola is missing from your ‘B’ list – he signed pro recently and joined the club in summer 2014 so qualifies for the B list. The two players where I came to a different conclusion were Harry Lewis and Richard Bakary. I don’t think Lewis qualifies as a B list player as he has not been at the club for 2 full seasons (joined from Shrewsbury at start of last season) - so he would need to be an A list player or excluded from the Europa League squad. Like Hojbjerg he qualifies as an U21 for the Premier League. You have listed Richard Bakary as an A list player but I don’t see why he doesn’t qualify as a B list player. As far as I know nationality is not relevant to inclusion on the list, he is under 21 and he has been registered with the club since April 2014 i.e. more than 2 years.

I think Gallagher's omission is simply an error as he's not listed in the Development Squad either. He was shown there before he went out on loan but never reinstated after he returned (last autumn I think)

I believe he would be on the unusual position as qualifying as an U21 for the Premier League but not for the Europa League. The former just has a date of birth qualifying criterion whereas the latter also says that you must have been eligible to play for the club for 2 years. So to play in the Europa League he would need to be included in our main A list. Goalkeeper Harry Lewis (signed last season from Shrewsbury) is on the same situation.

Thanks! Was writing post 65 when yours came in.

Jake Flannigan today signed a one year contract extension (club Twitter page). I've updated the OP The OS profiles (first team, development and U18s) have all been updated - presumably earlier today to coincide with 1 July which is generally the date old contracts expire and new ones take effect. I don't know whether it it significant but Lloyd Isgrove and Sam Gallagher have not been added back in (mind you the latter has not been listed for months so it's probably just an error). There are a few other oddities as well like Dom Gape listed in both the first team and development and a few over 21s shown in the development squad (notably Stephens, Turnbull, Gape). Stekelenburg has finally been removed.