Rebel

Surman wants to go and Reading are interested

I have a feeling Skacel and Saga will leave on free transfers next week - probably to Hertha Berlin and Legia Warsaw followed shortly by Dyer and Rasiak for small fees to Swansea and Watford! and then Euell leaving early for some team in the USA - with Kelvins and BWPs contract being ripped up a month or so early - and Wotte and Saejis heading back to Holland I have a feeling Gasmi, Molyneux, Lancashire, Paterson and co will play against Forest Gasmi will then probably head back to Strasbourg, whilst Schneiderlin moves on to Arsenal

Who else feels the current group of players - certainly the higher earners - should donate at least a months wages to Save Our Saints? BWP, Euell, Davis, Saga, Skacel, Rasiak, Dyer, Surman and Co should do something to return the support the fans have given them over the whole sorry season - and particularly the last couple of weeks! Even a weeks wages would go a long way to keeping the club afloat long enough to find a buyer - and save the club! Maybe some of them should agree to mutually terminate their lucrative contracts on Tuesday 5th May - with no pay-off - leaving them free to find another club and give SFC a chance of survival! And what about ex-players! How far would a week or a months wages from Walcott, Baird, Beattie, Bridge or Bale go giving the club a lifeline!?! SFC helped to make them what they are - shouldn't they now do what they can to try and save SFC for its supporters! It would take just one of them to start the ball rolling!

I have a feeling Skacel is already gone - hence the non-appearance on Saturday and Saga is all but gone - both on free transfers abroad I would guess BWP, Davis, Euell and Smith are all out of contract - and will all be gone I hope. Kelvin may be a good shot stopper but we need someone who can command the box and distribute the ball a lot better than he does. Besides Poke will be back and we've got Forecast as well Bialkowski is on loan and out of contract! Saejis and Wotte are out of contract as we got relegated - so there gone - and good riddane I say! Stern is on loan and out of contract - so he's gone already! Dyer and Rasiak will be gone by next week - on cheap transfers to Swansea and Watford! Gasmi's loan is over - and I expect he'll go back to Strasbourg in France. Schneiderlin will go to Arsenal's reserves or some other premiership team. Lallana, Surman and McGoldrick will leave for CCC teams!

Telfer left Bournemouth by mutual consent as he was injured and couldn't play - so he wouldn't be taking a wage for doing nothing I've talked to him a couple of times in Starbucks about this, Saints and why WGS left he's a down to earth bloke

Cheltenham Town and Swindon are hardly what you call big clubs - and with the greatest of respect League 1 is their level and the clubs owners probably know that! the fanbases and the facilities at either clubwouldn't support a premiership team! bit like Reading and Wigan - unless the owner is willing to fund the club and underwrite a awful lot of debt they probably wouldnt throw bad money after good - that's why they are rich men! Saints in comparison are a big club with a premier league set up - and if the club was being run properly and too its potential should be in the top tier! so there could actually be a return on the money invested personally if I was rich I'd do it just because I was a fan - but I'd also know once in the premier league it would be sustainable a colleague at work is a very good friend of Andrew Black at Swindon - I've asked him to speak to him about buying a real football club!! they were meeting up this weekend so you never know!!!!

the two games I've seen Saejis play he was bloody awful! one of the few good points about going down was that Wotte and JP were going to be on their way back to Holland

Surely no friend of Redknapp is a friend of Saints they are certainly no friend of mine!

Skacel has got a year to run - we'll either loan him out or let him go on a fee John - is out of contract in the summer Bialkowski is out on loan and out of contract in the summer - he's already gone! Gasmi is only on loan with us until the summer Rasiak has a year to go but has probably already been sold to Watford Smith is out of contract BWP is out of contract Saga has got a year to run - we'll loan him out or let him go on a free Davies will be gone for a minimal fee - probably to Ipswich we might get some money for Schneiderlin, Surman, Lallana and McGoldrick though

Surely they could have raised some money in the January transfer window to keep the Wolves from the door - taken low bids for Rasiak, Dyer, Skacel, and not brought in Molyneux, Smith and Saejis for a start! I'd prefer to have just got relegated - not go into administration as well!

Are we talking about Tuesday 21st April - coz if so they better announce it quick! That would be next Tuesday in modern English! A week Tuesday would be the 29th surely - the week after we play Burnley! I'm confused! It sounds like crossed wires to me! A benefit game against Leicester to raise some money to keep us going until the end of the season - and still exisit to play Forest - does sound a good idea though - and a possible one! 29th sounds more likely though.

Lowe and wilde put the club into administration out of arrogance, pride, ignorance, hubris and spite.... I don't think they were willing to ask certain people for help - this left them no option but to put the club into administration and which in their eyes they can then blame on other people its a get out clause for them .....we did our best...its everybody else fault.....we're not to blame etc they broke the relationship with Barclays, they destabilised the club again by ousting Crouch, Pearson and co, they drove the fans away from the turnstiles, they failed to sell players in January to fund the gap its simple really - administration was avaoidable - the fact we are now in administration is their fault

don't clubs have to be 51% owned by supporters in Germany - or did someone just make that up!?! even if supporters had a 10% shareholding but grouped together to elect a director to the board - with the simple remit of making sure the other directors do what's best for the long term future of the club - that would be a major step forward I wonder if all the infighting and bickering would have happened - and a lot of the short sighted financial decisions made - if the directors knew they were being closely monitored by genuine supporters

I have to say Lallana was my man of the match today made some great tackles, tracked back, won the ball and kept posession, great running at the Palace defence, and some wonderful interplay with James and McGoldrick his best position by far is in the CM attacking role - or maybe on the right of a midfield 3

Pompey have posted a loss of £16.6M for 2007/2008: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/portsmouth/7988831.stm and are over £100M in debt according the Portsmouth News: http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/newshome/Pompey39s-debts-not-unusual-in.5157352.jp but the Skates aren't worried apparently as debts of that size are common in foobtall: http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A49622673 I don't know about you but I think they should be! Apart from Liverpool and Man Utd I'm not sure any other club has debts like that - with nothing to show for it other than an FA Cup. Maybe the Gunners - but Arsenal's debt is all about the Emirates stadium. And it looks like they bought the FA Cup - with that outlay you'd have thought they'd have won a bit more than the solitary cup. He not that good a manager Redknapp is he really when you look at that! If they get relegated this season - which is still quite possible - Saints current situation will look like a party! Surely administration would be a certainty! At least we've got a 32,000 seater stadium, a decent academy and training ground to show for our paltry £7 million debt and £23 million mortgage. Doesn't look good for Pompey unless they find a buyer in the summer - but why would anyone buy them when the first thing they'd have to do is pay off the debts, build a stadium and a training ground. I expect someone will though! Surely they wil sell players like Crouch, Krankjar and Johnson in the Summer to pay off some of the debt and reduce their wage bill - but that's going to put them right amongst the favourites for relegation next season if they stay up this season. Could the unnamed debtor for £7 million be Mandaric by any chance - i.e. the money he was never paid for the club!

until they sold players in January their wage bill was £5 million more than their turnover palyers wages were something like £55 million - their turnover something like £50 million (hence the £5 million Spurs paid Pompey for Redknapp) supposedly they were £80 million in debt on top of that - hence the sale of Diarra and Defoe on top of that they've got their other running costs, the training ground development and the stadium redevelopment to pay for I fully expect Johnson, Krancjkar and Crouch to be sold in the summer - even if they stay up - and most the 14 players out of contract to move on (Campbell, Kanu et al) if they get relegated they'll go into adminstration - they might do it anyway if Gaydamak can't sell the club - he has a history of putting companies into administration and walking away

I don't understand why Lowe and Wilde didn't renegotiate the mortgae with Norwich Union - to reduce the payments to £500K p.a. or at least something more managable after all NU had everything to lose by not coming to an agreement with us similarly why didn't we sell players to raise some cash in January to stay within opur overdraft or release players on frees to other clubs to reduce the wage bill or like directors at other clubs why didn't they loan the club the money to fill the gap between the overdraft and running costs to the end of the season don't tell me we couldn't sell Dyer, Surman, Schneiderlin, Lallana and McGoldrick in the Summer - if not Rasiak, Saga, Davies, and Skacel as well to raise some cash

not Saejis today

the Trust actually put it to the vote on whether to back Wilde or Lowe or Crouch its members overwhelmingly voted in Wilde's favour the Trust at the time publicly stated that Wilde and Crouch should work together I don't think anyone thought that Wilde and the people he brought in would spend money that they/we didn't have - and that's what got us in this mess Hone, Wilde and Lowe are all as guilty of this mess do you think Barclays would have called it a day on the Club if Crouch, Lawrie Mac and Pearson were at the helm? - I don't!

Lets make it clear on Saturday that we as the fans, supporters and members of Southampton Football Club don't want Lowe or Wilde back at this club in anyway shape of form. It is these two people above anyone else who are directly responsible for where we find ourselves right now they have brought us to our lowest point - dismal failure sure Cowan, Askham, Hone, Hoos, Burley, Redknapp, and Oldknow are guilty doing their bit to bring about our fall as well - but these two are the orchestrators! Swing them both from the Itchen Bridge! They are truly the bankrupt ones - certainly morally! Surely one of them could have put his hand in his pocket to bridge the financial gap until the end of the season - even if it was only a loan directors at other clubs have done far more where is Wilde's integrity and honour? his sense of responsibility? how much money has Lowe made from Southampton FC over the last 10 years - more than a couple of million by quite some way I would say!

Posted by a Coventry fan on PompeyOnline: "There is a certain irony about the situation. SISU (Hedge Fund) wanted to buy Southampton but were turned down by Lowe et al. Ray Ranson took over CCFC 15 months ago instead. We could have been Southampton because it really was only 20 mins before we were due to go in to admin. We do not own our stadium. The previous chairman Brian Richardson carried something like 60m debt associated with the construction. We were relegated before we even started to build it and could not build it unless helped ...Coventry Council funded the bulk of the completion of the Ricoh Cov Council and another company own it 50-50. Ray ranson is trying to buy some of it. A contract for 125million has just been signed with Compass Catering. But I don't know if CCFC have any cut on it. Over the year, the Ricoh has 100 plus days of exhibtions and is becoming an international setting for rock stars. There are 64 hotel rooms on site. If the club owned the ground we would be well off.... Although Cov are said to be losing 80k per week, we apparently have no debt becasue SISU are coverning it until we get back in the Prem. This will not be for a few years. The plan is to do something like Pompey/Reading and stay there a few years. So..... We are apparently debt free, waiting patiently to have few good seasons in our league and then move up and stay up. We have not challenged at all over the years. We have a first team squad of 24 and have disbanded the reserves. Hopefully the bad times are behind us. The Likes of Norwich, Charlton, Southampton, Leicester and Leeds have all struggled over the years. We are better off than most of the teams in the Championship and it has been said that we are one of the few clubs without major debt." I am not so sure that in the long term they are in a much better position than us. What happens when SISU decide to pull the plug or cut their losses on their investment and there is no buyer for the club Saying that I would rather be them than us right now by a long long way!

I already did - I bought £500 of shares in SLH when I joined the Saints Trust steering committee and proxies them to the Trust. More fool me!!!

For some strange reason none of the Skates at work have dared say anything to me in the last two days sure some people who have no understanding of football have taken the p*ss - but none of the Skates and not any other football fans either even had a Leeds fan offered me sympathy (and we don't exactly click) is it because the look in my eyes is a little bit like 'give me a reason.....!' or is it because only other fans can understand how we feel right now or maybe they are worried they're next - and are simply thinking but for a few points or maybe an overdraft it could be them right now

there are a lot of fans like me who don't got to every home game - but pick and choose depending on various things (girlfriend/holida/family stuff/work/etc) I've been to about half of the home games this season so far and bought tickets for a bunch of friends last week for the Charlton game - because for me it was a always going to be a 9 pointer! I've never had a season ticket but there are many season where I've been to every home game (doesn't make me a better fan then anyone else though) there will be lots of fans/supporters like me/us who will be probably decide to go on Saturday now - maybe because it might be there last chance to support saints or just maybe because they think there £15 might make a difference whoever they are (apart fropm Wilde and Lowe) they will be welcome by me - and if they've come back after staying away for whatever reason - I don't care - they are all Saints fans to me - and that is what matters I actually admire those people who have stayed away because of Lowe - they are stronger at dealing with an addiction than me (and you could argue at least they've got principles - and maybe it worked as he's gone now)

Steve I'm not so sure - we had several conversations with Jim Hone, Lee Hoos and Andy Oldknow about the right way forward for the club - I think they were incompetent - that or so focused on takeover bonuses they might get they didn't care about anything else We argued with them quite strongly that the only way was to run the club was within its means - whereas the fantastic four (lets inlcude Jones!) thought the only way was to spend money we didn't have to push for a play-off place and secure a takeover they didn't even listen when we pointed out we were falling into a relegation battle and not a promotion fight they all should have been sacked without a doubt and probably for gross incompetence looks like we were right and they were very wrong! As for Lowe's Warchest - they discovered that didn't actually exist - and they told us that but spent the money anyway!